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Post by Aza on Nov 8, 2015 22:08:32 GMT
I used to have one of his Uzis back in those days.
Gladly it's long gone now.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Nov 8, 2015 22:09:50 GMT
I wholeheartedly disagree with SS exhibiting such scum and I'm glad people are speaking out about it. I just hope people don't suddenly forget his views as he gets more popular (Henry Ford, Eric Clapton, Charles Lindburgh etc etc)
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Post by Pedro on Nov 8, 2015 22:22:29 GMT
 My wife wanted to buy me this piece. It was in a velvet lined glass top box. I think it was about £800. She went back to the gallery after the show for my birthday and it had sold. Unfortunately we were one of the ones suckered into thinking that his work was purely ironic at the time. Fortunately she bought me this David Choe canvas instead.  |
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Post by Aza on Nov 8, 2015 22:29:52 GMT
I wholeheartedly disagree with SS exhibiting such scum and I'm glad people are speaking out about it. I just hope people don't suddenly forget his views as he gets more popular (Henry Ford, Eric Clapton, Charles Lindburgh etc etc) NBF Instagram have been promoting StolenSpace a fair bit today! |
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Post by Pedro on Nov 9, 2015 0:27:52 GMT
Just twigged NBF is 'Not The Banksy Forum' on Instagram. Thanks Aza.
I'm a bit torn up and sore and extra slow as on pain killers from a fall on glass yesterday.
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Post by Pedro on Nov 9, 2015 0:43:25 GMT
Would you have the url of Not Banksy Forum's Instagram please? I've googled and can't seem to find the Instagram account. Thanks for mentioning Aza.
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Post by Dr. Plip on Nov 9, 2015 0:52:51 GMT
Would you have the url of Not Banksy Forum's Instagram please? I've googled and can't seem to find the Instagram account. Thanks for mentioning Aza. |
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Nov 9, 2015 16:50:59 GMT
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Nov 9, 2015 17:16:12 GMT
I don't run the IG account, but I think the Stolen Space pics being posted yesterday was just coincidence.... he was posting up old pictures all day yesterday... looks like over 30 pics from older events were posted, with 3 unfortunately being from Stolen Space. (I'd never heard the name Charles Krafft before yesterday and I don't think he had either) I 'm personally disgusted by this whole thing... having had relatives who died in the Holocaust, it makes me sick to my stomach that anyone would belittle it. shame on SS |
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Post by dashboll on Nov 9, 2015 17:18:01 GMT
Sorry Aza didn't see your original post, I'll remove them Edit: looks like someone has beaten me to it, all gone |
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Post by Commissioner on Nov 9, 2015 17:26:20 GMT
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Post by bustart on Nov 9, 2015 23:31:55 GMT
thas fuckd up! is there no statment from stolen space? i would prefair they cancel the show insted of me having to boycott them... somehow i have to get my hands on that d face goods...
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Post by bustart on Nov 9, 2015 23:47:46 GMT
just saw the statement..... not feeling it.. but i think it will be on the guys who buy shit and hope to find out its the real shit and then sell the shit. in that case the shit must be art. i cant see that someone buy the ... just cause he likes to have a hitler mug on the table. ok, there is a group that likes this but this brings us back to point 1...
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Post by Commissioner on Nov 10, 2015 0:13:01 GMT
Statement by StolenSpace on exhibiting work by Charles Krafft
November 9th, 2015
Stolenspace has always embraced the power of art to be controversial, provocative and thought provoking, we believe it is what ‘art’ should be. Charles Krafft is an artist whose work has always challenged us as a gallery/curators and enjoys challenging his audience. In recent times he has been surrounded in controversy over his supposed beliefs, we have taken time to discuss these with him, knowing that reporting and social media can very easily be guided or misinterpreted. However it is important as a gallery to explain that as with all our artists their personal beliefs and views are their’s and their’s alone, we don’t have to share them, and in many cases absolutely don’t.
We have spoken to Charles directly and he denies the claims made against him and the way in which he was reported as slander and trolling, he has never officially made a statement concerning this until now, and we can only take his word for it and continue to interpret and understand his artistry and provocative nature.
“Im not a Holocaust denier. I haven’t denied that many Jewish people suffered and died during WWII. I’m also not a white supremacist either.
I only challenge the taboo that society cannot discuss certain events without seeming to be politically incorrect and thought criminal, such as conspiracy theories around 911 for example.
Some of the works in my 2010 exhibition at StolenSpace ‘Pitchfork Pals’ contributed to the controversy, this included the ‘Hitler’ teapot. My work is darkly humorous and intended as ironic, and I maintain that to this day, it doesn’t mean that I am a Nazi or support the ideology, the piece mocked Hitler and I have collectors and friends that are Jewish.
A Seattle journalist conducted a witch hunt against me. The local story went International and the mainstream media in general did not invite me to explain myself. As I maintain it is about my art first and foremost, I decided not to respond to the local controversy and at the time I was on a pilgrimage to the Kumbh Mela, a spiritual gathering in India of millions of Hindus.
I gave interviews to websites irregardless of their political position and beliefs because I don’t believe in censorship. Questioning taboos on social media initiated the controversy. After being misquoted too often I stopped talking to the media.
The theme of my current body of work is prisons, street violence and gun control. It’s a continuation of my ongoing ’Disasterware’™ series. It follows the time-honoured techniques of Dutch Delft (blue and white) ceramic surface decoration. It is classical craft juxtaposed with comments and the irony of contemporary life and culture.”
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Post by feralthings on Nov 10, 2015 4:49:18 GMT
That's a pretty disingenuous statement from Stolenspace. Their defence seems to be that they don't share Krafft's views, which is all well and good, but his political views are inherently intertwined with his work. If they don't share an artist's views then you'd imagine they must at the very least think that the work raises interesting questions worthy of debate, but I can't think what that could be in relation to Krafft's work. A gallery has to believe in the work of the artist that they're exhibiting otherwise we're expected to believe that their choice of artists is entirely arbitrary, which itself wouldn't say much for the other work they show. It just seems completely surreal that they'd choose to promote this work.
Krafft's defence seems to be that he's some kind of voiceless victim in all of this but, apart from the various social media platforms where he's got a presence, he's got his own website. To suggest he hasn't had a chance to correct any misrepresentations over the last five years is a bit laughable.
The Stolenspace statement doesn't even address the specific accusations. Krafft's admission that "many Jewish people suffered and died during WWII" is hardly evidence that he's not a holocaust denier. Most holocaust deniers conceed that many Jewish people died but they try to argue that it was a fraction of the six million Jewish people that we know actually died. Krafft has been around these issues for decades so he can hardly claim to just be naïve about the distinction.
Bizarre.
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Post by Dr. Plip on Nov 10, 2015 9:12:20 GMT
If you do a search for Charles Krafft on YouTube, you can watch a few interviews; including the ones conducted/hosted by some dickhead white supremacists. If Krafft chooses to associate sympathetically with racists and holocaust deniers, then he reaps what he sows. And if Stolenspace (in light of recent revelations) chooses to associate sympathetically with Krafft, then so do they.
Trolling? Fuck off.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Nov 10, 2015 12:48:44 GMT
Did he really say 'I have Jewish friends.'?
What a bunch of fucking cunts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 12:50:42 GMT
Suggest people just boycott and ignore Stolenspace.
They new what they were taking on and getting into. They are now into it and still supporting and running the show.
The best way to solve both issues is not buy his work and not buy from them. Likewise when other artists exhibit with them send a note to that artist that you we will not buy from that gallery.
Don't change just keep it up boycott the gallery. Once other galleries see and realize this happens they will also not show his work. If they do ....do the same
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Nov 10, 2015 15:09:21 GMT
One other thing. Stolenspace is owned by Dface. Which makes him a fucking cunt. Anyone got a problem that, or should I kiss his arse as well 'cos he puts pen to fucking paper...?
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Post by svenman on Nov 10, 2015 18:40:25 GMT
That gallery statement is spineless fucking bollocks. I hope that their opening attracts all the wrong kind of attention for Mr Krafft. There should be no place in 'the arts' for people like this. Supporting this artist and hiding behind statements like the one made above saddens me. They've obviously thought about the issues as they have made 'a statement'. Their thinking to me, and i'm sure to the majority of people with a shred of morality and common sense, is both irresponsible and dangerous. Here's how the show probably panned out: 1. Who shall we ask to show in November? 2. I dunno - who have we got left on the books? Charles Krafft - i fucking love his pots and that... 3. But hey, isn't he a nazi, white supremacist, holocaust denying piece of shit? 4. Yeah - but we can say thats his views and not ours. People will believe it, and we'll make a bit of dollar selling his shit to idiots. 5. Fuck it - get Charlie on the phone! 6. Of course i'll do the show - i've got quite a bit of a back-log of work available if you want it... I had a look on Krafft's facebook page earlier. Lots of gems there. What a piece of shit this guy is. Fuck him. Fuck him in the eye. If anyone believes he has been unfairly represented in the media, then here is the 'other' side of the story - written by one of his white power buddies. www.counter-currents.com/2013/02/the-persecution-of-charles-krafft/ |
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Post by speebe on Nov 10, 2015 22:10:16 GMT
That's a pretty disingenuous statement from Stolenspace. Their defence seems to be that they don't share Krafft's views, which is all well and good, but his political views are inherently intertwined with his work. If they don't share an artist's views then you'd imagine they must at the very least think that the work raises interesting questions worthy of debate, but I can't think what that could be in relation to Krafft's work. A gallery has to believe in the work of the artist that they're exhibiting otherwise we're expected to believe that their choice of artists is entirely arbitrary, which itself wouldn't say much for the other work they show. It just seems completely surreal that they'd choose to promote this work. Krafft's defence seems to be that he's some kind of voiceless victim in all of this but, apart from the various social media platforms where he's got a presence, he's got his own website. To suggest he hasn't had a chance to correct any misrepresentations over the last five years is a bit laughable. The Stolenspace statement doesn't even address the specific accusations. Krafft's admission that "many Jewish people suffered and died during WWII" is hardly evidence that he's not a holocaust denier. Most holocaust deniers conceed that many Jewish people died but they try to argue that it was a fraction of the six million Jewish people that we know actually died. Krafft has been around these issues for decades so he can hardly claim to just be naïve about the distinction. Bizarre. I would also be very wary of the impact this show will have when you think of the change in location for the Stolen Space gallery... Although it hasn't moved far geographically, there is an obvious seismic shift in attitudes toward Krafft's work but more importantly the faith and beliefs of their new neighbours. Krafft's last show was obviously misunderstood by many (myself included), and when viewed in the context of a gallery space behind Dray's Walk it was easy for us to assume that his artwork actually mocked the far right, rather than support it. The gallery is now positioned in the heart of a large Bangladeshi/Sylhet community, with Bricklane Mosque (& Former Jewish Chapel-Wesleyan chapel..!) just 0.2miles away on the same stretch or road, and not tucked behind knowingly hip clothing stores/bars in a more fashionable and liberal part of East London... With his views more widely publicised now, it does feels as though his show could receive a very negative reaction if his artwork continues to reflect his outrageous views in this new location. I hope the gallery and staff remain safe, I would be upset to hear that they suffer as a result of this misguided decision to continue to support Krafft with this exhibition. |
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Post by svenman on Nov 10, 2015 23:29:11 GMT
Someone just posted this on my facebook page...
NEWS
Charles Krafft 'Conjugal Visit' exhibition has been cancelled (10/11/2015 @ 19:16:16)
Whilst we have listened diligently to Charles Krafft�s explanations surrounding the controversy of past interviews, it was naive of StolenSpace to think that this matter had been resolved and that the controversy would not follow him.
Both physical and verbal threats have been made against the gallery and our staff, and although StolenSpace does not believe in censorship or cyber bullying, we do respect the opinions and feelings about such sensitive matters. We therefore feel it is appropriate that the show is cancelled in light of this.
StolenSpace Gallery
Doesn't really tackle the issue, or indeed say that it was a bad call, but at least it's a sensible thing to do.
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Post by floubi on Nov 11, 2015 0:27:04 GMT
Someone just posted this on my facebook page... NEWS
Charles Krafft 'Conjugal Visit' exhibition has been cancelled (10/11/2015 @ 19:16:16)
Whilst we have listened diligently to Charles Krafft�s explanations surrounding the controversy of past interviews, it was naive of StolenSpace to think that this matter had been resolved and that the controversy would not follow him.
Both physical and verbal threats have been made against the gallery and our staff, and although StolenSpace does not believe in censorship or cyber bullying, we do respect the opinions and feelings about such sensitive matters. We therefore feel it is appropriate that the show is cancelled in light of this.
StolenSpace GalleryDoesn't really tackle the issue, or indeed say that it was a bad call, but at least it's a sensible thing to do. Good decision... But they just could have said: NEWS Sorry guys, it was a bad move from us, we won't support this "artist" anymore even he has lots of jewish friends. Lehitraot! Stolen Space Gallery |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Nov 11, 2015 0:40:15 GMT
Someone just posted this on my facebook page... NEWS
Charles Krafft 'Conjugal Visit' exhibition has been cancelled (10/11/2015 @ 19:16:16)
Whilst we have listened diligently to Charles Krafft�s explanations surrounding the controversy of past interviews, it was naive of StolenSpace to think that this matter had been resolved and that the controversy would not follow him.
Both physical and verbal threats have been made against the gallery and our staff, and although StolenSpace does not believe in censorship or cyber bullying, we do respect the opinions and feelings about such sensitive matters. We therefore feel it is appropriate that the show is cancelled in light of this.
StolenSpace GalleryDoesn't really tackle the issue, or indeed say that it was a bad call, but at least it's a sensible thing to do. guess that means the police can stop monitoring us? |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Nov 11, 2015 1:47:46 GMT
While I'm clearly not crying my eyes out that the show is cancelled, I do think that if the staff received genuine threats of violence, then that needs to be taken further (almost typed fuhrer). Forum discussion and social media interaction is one thing, but nobody should be threatened over an art show.
Both Krafft and Stolenspace could have used this past week to vigorously defend his position. But they haven't. If you genuinely believe your work is defensible, then do it. Go for it. Don't cry censorship. Don't cry trolling or cyber-bullying. Don't scream character assassination or witch hunt. If your work is defensible, then defend it.
As for Stolenspace, if people have been threatening your staff, then you sort those fuckers out. Name and shame, police involvement, VIP list erasure, the works. |
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