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Post by natstan on Mar 23, 2016 16:16:59 GMT
Can't really blame him - his other works just don't bring him much success. At one point, I have to applaud him for trying those cut stuff and such. But I guess it killed his sales.
I do feel that parts of his explanation don't make sense. See no reason why this 'creative satisfaction' wasn't fulfilled by the time he's done with WTNFU. In a way, I also find it depressing that an artist's best work was some 5 years ago. Hope that is not the peak of his career, he seems like a nice chap. Hope he breaks through very soon...
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 23, 2016 16:58:39 GMT
Edit - reply to Alittle.
You make some good points. However, I would not necessarily agree with your assertion -
"To me, the simple act of creating the piece would have provided the fulfillment of his creative curiousity"
For you, that might be the case. For him, apparently, it isn't. Also...
"Many artists create just to create, exploring new techniques, mediums, concepts/themes. The creative process and their ability to satisfy their own creative curiousity is seemingly detatched from the monetization of their work. "
For many, maybe. For some, yes. For him, apparently not. C'est la vie. Water cooled Porsche or air cooled Porsche? Who cares? Many do apparently but, ultimately, it's a distraction. The question is - do you like driving it? Eels is no Porsche in the art work but the basic question should be, do you like looking at it?
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 23, 2016 17:04:37 GMT
Can't really blame him - his other works just don't bring him much success. At one point, I have to applaud him for trying those cut stuff and such. But I guess it killed his sales. I do feel that parts of his explanation don't make sense. See no reason why this 'creative satisfaction' wasn't fulfilled by the time he's done with WTNFU. In a way, I also find it depressing that an artist's best work was some 5 years ago. Hope that is not the peak of his career, he seems like a nice chap. Hope he breaks through very soon... See also - Josh Keyes back pedalling like fuck...
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Post by alittle on Mar 23, 2016 17:21:27 GMT
Edit - reply to Alittle. You make some good points. However, I would not necessarily agree with your assertion - "To me, the simple act of creating the piece would have provided the fulfillment of his creative curiousity" For you, that might be the case. For him, apparently, it isn't. Also... "Many artists create just to create, exploring new techniques, mediums, concepts/themes. The creative process and their ability to satisfy their own creative curiousity is seemingly detatched from the monetization of their work. " For many, maybe. For some, yes. For him, apparently not. C'est la vie. Water cooled Porsche or air cooled Porsche? Who cares? Many do apparently but, ultimately, it's a distraction. The question is - do you like driving it? Eels is no Porsche in the art work but the basic question should be, do you like looking at it? Yes, Eelus said he feels that way, and that's exactly what I'm questioning, as it doesn't make any sense. Well, I guess he is finding "creative" new ways to make money without actually having to produce any new work. That must be what he's referring to. To respond to your Porsche analogy, regardless of the creative process and artistic motivations, the answer is no. The fascination by the "urban art" community with a graphic designer who reluctantly paints a wall once a year and whose favourite subject matter is children and rainbows is perplexing to say the least.
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Post by dazarino on Mar 23, 2016 21:25:39 GMT
did eelus say he was an urban artist? Or is this what we have made him on the forum? There is nothing wrong in being a artist that uses graphic design along with other mixed media imo, it is still a form of artistic expression. Probably the most popular selling artist in the UK (jj adams) uses the same genre.
Let's just enjoy the images every now and then and forget about the process, let's face it a banksy rat is as basic as it gets.
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Post by IggyWiggy on Mar 23, 2016 21:30:28 GMT
... Probably the most popular selling artist in the UK (jj adams) uses the same genre. I'm interested in what makes you think jj adams is probably the most popular selling artist in the UK.
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Post by dazarino on Mar 23, 2016 21:46:51 GMT
I suppose it's only what I'm lead to belive and what I've witnessed at a few galleries that stock his work. a bit nuts to be honest.i like it but I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. Also I'm fucking pissed as had a night out with the missus, red wine and now on the beer, got bored typing the above to be frank Back to eelus
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Post by alittle on Mar 24, 2016 1:56:01 GMT
did eelus say he was an urban artist? From his own website: "It all started when he was a kid, drawing posters of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to sell in the schoolyard so he could buy chocolate. Some years later, he’d sold enough posters to leave his day job behind, turning a lifelong hobby into a full-time profession.
Since then, he’s exhibited worldwide alongside some of the biggest names in the urban art scene, with the majority of his releases selling out in minutes.
He currently lives in Brighton, UK."
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Post by dazarino on Mar 24, 2016 6:24:37 GMT
did eelus say he was an urban artist? From his own website: "It all started when he was a kid, drawing posters of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to sell in the schoolyard so he could buy chocolate. Some years later, he’d sold enough posters to leave his day job behind, turning a lifelong hobby into a full-time profession.
Since then, he’s exhibited worldwide alongside some of the biggest names in the urban art scene, with the majority of his releases selling out in minutes.
He currently lives in Brighton, UK."Ah crap, taxi for dazza
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Post by ʎɐsǝɔı on Mar 25, 2016 18:56:33 GMT
Can't really blame him - his other works just don't bring him much success. At one point, I have to applaud him for trying those cut stuff and such. But I guess it killed his sales. I do feel that parts of his explanation don't make sense. See no reason why this 'creative satisfaction' wasn't fulfilled by the time he's done with WTNFU. In a way, I also find it depressing that an artist's best work was some 5 years ago. Hope that is not the peak of his career, he seems like a nice chap. Hope he breaks through very soon... Was the image also not just piggy backing on the Nola by Banksy or is just me?
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Post by looother on Mar 25, 2016 19:10:05 GMT
Can't really blame him - his other works just don't bring him much success. At one point, I have to applaud him for trying those cut stuff and such. But I guess it killed his sales. I do feel that parts of his explanation don't make sense. See no reason why this 'creative satisfaction' wasn't fulfilled by the time he's done with WTNFU. In a way, I also find it depressing that an artist's best work was some 5 years ago. Hope that is not the peak of his career, he seems like a nice chap. Hope he breaks through very soon... Was the image also not just piggy backing on the Nola by Banksy or is just me? Eelus covered this in a blogpost at the time, which you can read in its entirety here (which is worth doing). But the relevant bit is this: "My piece was sketched out and ready to paint before the release of Banksy’s Nola and after seeing the similarities, I decided to ditch my idea at first and just put it down to bad luck, a classic case of sitting too long on an idea only to be beaten by a more pro-active peer. But then after I realised how much I liked the image and I knew that I wasn’t trying to rip anybody off, I just went with it. And why not? Banksy is hardly the first person to paint someone holding an umbrella, and I doubt I’ll be the last."
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Post by IggyWiggy on Mar 25, 2016 19:52:16 GMT
Was the image also not just piggy backing on the Nola by Banksy or is just me? Eelus covered this in a blogpost at the time, which you can read in its entirety here (which is worth doing). But the relevant bit is this: "My piece was sketched out and ready to paint before the release of Banksy’s Nola and after seeing the similarities, I decided to ditch my idea at first and just put it down to bad luck, a classic case of sitting too long on an idea only to be beaten by a more pro-active peer. But then after I realised how much I liked the image and I knew that I wasn’t trying to rip anybody off, I just went with it. And why not? Banksy is hardly the first person to paint someone holding an umbrella, and I doubt I’ll be the last."
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Post by ʎɐsǝɔı on Mar 25, 2016 20:53:10 GMT
Was the image also not just piggy backing on the Nola by Banksy or is just me? Eelus covered this in a blogpost at the time, which you can read in its entirety here (which is worth doing). But the relevant bit is this: "My piece was sketched out and ready to paint before the release of Banksy’s Nola and after seeing the similarities, I decided to ditch my idea at first and just put it down to bad luck, a classic case of sitting too long on an idea only to be beaten by a more pro-active peer. But then after I realised how much I liked the image and I knew that I wasn’t trying to rip anybody off, I just went with it. And why not? Banksy is hardly the first person to paint someone holding an umbrella, and I doubt I’ll be the last." Maybe it's true but several times I've made a piece and then found out someone else has already done something similar, the result?....move on.
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Post by looother on Mar 25, 2016 22:07:01 GMT
I think Neisbaw's popularity proves Eelus's instinct to press ahead with its production despite Nola (assuming as he says he'd already had the idea) was the right one. I think it's different enough, and has earned its place in the world. Whether the same can or will be said of the lenticulars, though …
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Post by dazarino on Mar 26, 2016 7:13:36 GMT
Just out of interest, is anyone on here going for this?
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Post by looother on Mar 26, 2016 10:15:01 GMT
I'm mulling it over. It's been the print I've wanted most but haven't been able to afford for a very long time, and though I can't really afford this either at the moment I worry that I'll regret passing up this opportunity. The problem is, I also worry that I'll regret taking this opportunity. I am, in short, worried.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 26, 2016 10:54:46 GMT
I'm mulling it over. It's been the print I've wanted most but haven't been able to afford for a very long time, and though I can't really afford this either at the moment I worry that I'll regret passing up this opportunity. The problem is, I also worry that I'll regret taking this opportunity. I am, in short, worried. Don't worry. If you want it and can afford it, get it. If you will love it and admire it, regardless of it going up or down in value, get it. If you will feel differently about the piece if it falls in value then don't get it. If you love it but can't afford it, print one off and stick it on the wall. Easy...! Life's way too short and way too complicated to be worrying about a picture.
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Post by notvermin on Mar 27, 2016 8:22:41 GMT
I'm waiting for the next edition that comes out...
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Post by looother on Mar 27, 2016 10:35:38 GMT
I'm mulling it over. It's been the print I've wanted most but haven't been able to afford for a very long time, and though I can't really afford this either at the moment I worry that I'll regret passing up this opportunity. The problem is, I also worry that I'll regret taking this opportunity. I am, in short, worried. Don't worry. If you want it and can afford it, get it. If you will love it and admire it, regardless of it going up or down in value, get it. If you will feel differently about the piece if it falls in value then don't get it. If you love it but can't afford it, print one off and stick it on the wall. Easy...! Life's way too short and way too complicated to be worrying about a picture. I'm not worried about the money, not really. I worry that if I decide to buy it, once it's on the wall next to standard prints and paintings it'll look shouty and brash and ugly and I won't like looking at it.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 27, 2016 11:39:08 GMT
Don't worry. If you want it and can afford it, get it. If you will love it and admire it, regardless of it going up or down in value, get it. If you will feel differently about the piece if it falls in value then don't get it. If you love it but can't afford it, print one off and stick it on the wall. Easy...! Life's way too short and way too complicated to be worrying about a picture. I'm not worried about the money, not really. I worry that if I decide to buy it, once it's on the wall next to standard prints and paintings it'll look shouty and brash and ugly and I won't like looking at it. I get you. What work will it be sitting with?
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Post by poledance on Mar 28, 2016 4:06:17 GMT
Don't worry. If you want it and can afford it, get it. If you will love it and admire it, regardless of it going up or down in value, get it. If you will feel differently about the piece if it falls in value then don't get it. If you love it but can't afford it, print one off and stick it on the wall. Easy...! Life's way too short and way too complicated to be worrying about a picture. I'm not worried about the money, not really. I worry that if I decide to buy it, once it's on the wall next to standard prints and paintings it'll look shouty and brash and ugly and I won't like looking at it. So don't buy it
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Post by looother on Mar 28, 2016 10:38:10 GMT
I'm not worried about the money, not really. I worry that if I decide to buy it, once it's on the wall next to standard prints and paintings it'll look shouty and brash and ugly and I won't like looking at it. So don't buy it Yep, that's the conclusion I've come to. If I could go somewhere in London to see it before it goes on sale, I'd go and see and decide. But I can't, and you can't even see it in Brighton until after the release. I won't buy it blind. I may regret it, but it seems the only sensible option. Plus, I've bought from ArtRepublic before and they redefined incompetence.
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Post by dazarino on Mar 28, 2016 12:11:11 GMT
Yep, that's the conclusion I've come to. If I could go somewhere in London to see it before it goes on sale, I'd go and see and decide. But I can't, and you can't even see it in Brighton until after the release. I won't buy it blind. I may regret it, but it seems the only sensible option. Plus, I've bought from ArtRepublic before and they redefined incompetence. Shouty,brash and ugly? Sounds like your average forum member to me I personally think like with any artwork that hangs on the wall, it does need to work with the rooms design. So your probably right to keep that in mind mate
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Post by IggyWiggy on Mar 29, 2016 17:39:52 GMT
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Post by alittle on Mar 29, 2016 17:44:59 GMT
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