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Post by curiousgeorge on Jun 24, 2015 0:08:56 GMT
The protective undercurrents in this thread leave me cold. It's cool to be able swear and generally have gutter humour regarding avatars blah,blah,blah but heaven forbid anyone should have a different opinion.
Maybe I'm being naive but I expected more from a newly found forum. Still. start as you mean to go on. Quite what people being awesome/nice/generous has to do with 'trade deals' is beyond my understand. Better stick the simpleton hat on me too
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Post by Southbound on Jun 24, 2015 0:24:40 GMT
The protective undercurrents in this thread leave me cold. It's cool to be able swear and generally have gutter humour regarding avatars blah,blah,blah but heaven forbid anyone should have a different opinion. Maybe I'm being naive but I expected more from a newly found forum. Still. start as you mean to go on. Quite what people being awesome/nice/generous has to do with 'trade deals' is beyond my understand. Better stick the simpleton hat on me too Yeah but that argument can go both ways. No reason for people to be unnecessarily d*ckish in a trade/sales thread. That is what turned a few people off about the other forum, hence all the discussion of locking sales/trade threads from responses. Castle was not asking for opinions about his business practices, he was asking for trades.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 0:43:34 GMT
The protective undercurrents in this thread leave me cold. It's cool to be able swear and generally have gutter humour regarding avatars blah,blah,blah but heaven forbid anyone should have a different opinion. Maybe I'm being naive but I expected more from a newly found forum. Still. start as you mean to go on. Quite what people being awesome/nice/generous has to do with 'trade deals' is beyond my understand. Better stick the simpleton hat on me too Actually the opposite if you bother to read. Castle......a gallery was offering to take canvases in as trades against Banksy or Faille peace. He is the called out for mal practice called a cunt etc. Surely in your vast experience George you would have come across a gallery offering pieces for sale or taking pieces as part of the deal to buy a piece......does not strike me as that strange. Are yes but your mate Freerange then slags off Kunstrasen saying his art is crap etc......a few of us say this is all bollox Andy is a good sound bloke and zkunstrasen is a nice guy and a decent artist What on earth is wrong with that. Have you read Poldark / freeranges comment on charity. But fact is Kunstrasen did a piece for me and donated the money has not mentioned a word only I have. But according to you calling Andy a cunt and that Kunstrasen only did the charity thing for gain. Likewise Andy only auctioned the Banksy fir charity last year for marketing etc......sorry if their holding your view then your as sad as they are. I neither love Andy or think Kunstrasen is the best artist in the world but I do think they are both decent people who do not deserve this shit
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Post by bejwee77 on Jun 24, 2015 2:23:34 GMT
This is still dragging on? As entertaining as it is, it's time to starve it.
I for one appreciate charity regardless of intent, and am happy to trust Mr K with his own business decisions. And even if there's good reason to be skeptical of some galleries, in my limited dealings, and from all I've heard, Castle has been nothing but upstanding.
The end.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 4:45:36 GMT
The protective undercurrents in this thread leave me cold. It's cool to be able swear and generally have gutter humour regarding avatars blah,blah,blah but heaven forbid anyone should have a different opinion. Maybe I'm being naive but I expected more from a newly found forum. Still. start as you mean to go on. Quite what people being awesome/nice/generous has to do with 'trade deals' is beyond my understand. Better stick the simpleton hat on me too CG this had nothing to do with having a different opinion and at no point have i said anything about what people think about any art i sell, i was accused in the wrong end of story, im a completely open book when it comes to dealing, nothing to hide, ask me anything you want ill give you a straight answer. I know i know, youre doing this and that, people will think this and that, truth is ive told the truth what else do you want, did you read this thread from start to finish? Weve had discussions before and youre still going to pidgeon hole me like bubba and poldark who god forbid could possibly have agendas of their own if we're going down the conspiracy theory route, its like a schoolground, is poldark really freerange? I hope not, this is a small community, the majority i know in some shape or form , if i was a manipulator etc id be a fuckin forum guardian on uaa like freerange blatantly pulling strings rather than spending time here with a few hundred members but im not. Christ maybe i should put the simpleton hat on, what dumbass hyper/manipulator would choose to do it on a new forum where most know him, genius. Now a few ugly heads having risen in poldark(have you read his posts?, nothing but negativity to everything) and bubba, not wasting my breath on that. Ive no problem going toe to toe with anyone, you know why? Cause i tell the truth.... I already know im wasting my breath on this, ill go back in my box, keep my head down, watch what i say Finito
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 5:05:56 GMT
This is the last comment Castle Gallery make on any art forum, thats the truth Good luck with the forum theres a great bunch on here overall, its not for me anymore, i have too much pride in what i do so will always feel the need to defend myself. Best of luck, Peace
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Post by lha on Jun 24, 2015 5:42:27 GMT
This is the last comment ill make on any art forum, thats the truth Sorry to hear that Andy, always appreciate your input. Catch you at the gallery contact sometime It's a waste of time me adding anything further about the one or two stirring shit on here and UAA. Most know the score, they'll just continue with their tripe Onwards and upwards
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Post by jeezuzjonessnr on Jun 24, 2015 6:07:49 GMT
mate if you quit, they win.
Not worth it, life's too short..just rise above it and let the mods close this thread etc. This forum is growing in numbers which is good to see as the more forums the better.. You are a regular poster, lose more like yourself and this place will be no more...
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Post by bilbo on Jun 24, 2015 6:40:35 GMT
This is the last comment ill make on any art forum, thats the truth Sad to hear this
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Post by Dr. Plip on Jun 24, 2015 6:49:48 GMT
I figured this thread was heading in this direction, but I thought it would be Poldark that would throw himself off a cliff first.
There's a reason why artists and galleries/printers stop engaging on art forums. Look at the past members that stopped posting once they started selling and not just making their art. They didn't just stop chatting because they were too busy making stuff.
There will always be some people that aren't happy with what you are doing. Whether that's as an artist accused of being derivative, a rip-off, a sell-out, shit, or a promoter/gallery accused of bias, hype, too many colourways, crashing website, why can't I buy a print? why so expensive? shit, etc, etc. Defending yourself is fine, and putting your point or opinion across is fine, but once you start trying to communicate with everyone that has a problem with you or your art, you cannot win. Not against the people that don't like you or what you're doing.
So I can see why artists and galleries don't bother chatting on art forums. It's like when you see companies getting abuse on Facebook or Twitter. Replying to people is one thing, but you have to try to avoid getting sucked into an unwinnable argument. In many cases, you're arguing against someone that you can't win over and has nothing to lose by getting engaged in an online playground spat.
I hope you'll be back CG. And I'm sure Kunstrasen will hope you'll be back too. And Poldark, I hope you're still atop the cliff.
I don't know what the solution is. I want artists, galleries and producers to be able to freely talk and exchange information on here. I'd prefer that to them just popping up once every 3 months and saying "New print here".
Maybe just being able to back away from a thread once it starts getting personal? I know that's not easy, and especially when your integrity is being called into question.
I dunno. Anyway. I'm a cunt and I'm just off to drink my tea and eat a muffin. I hope you all have a good day.
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Post by lha on Jun 24, 2015 7:15:02 GMT
^^ What Drplip said. Thanks for articulating it all well in your post. Enjoy your muffin !
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Post by bateman on Jun 24, 2015 7:41:05 GMT
This is the last comment ill make on any art forum, thats the truth Sad to hear this +1
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Post by snowy on Jun 24, 2015 7:49:03 GMT
It would be a shame if you didn't come back @castlegalleryni . Everyone who's had dealings with both you and Kunstrasen knows the score.
It's not easy ignoring malicious posts where there are personal insults flying about but it may be that the only way to stop them is to pretend that they aren't there / block them.
Most members will know when someone is trying to stir the shite! If we all igonore these posts maybe they'll go away!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 8:26:47 GMT
@castlegalleryni. Andy don't quit yep drop out of this daft mess. But you quoting suits Fukien Freerange as that's exactly who that is and why he is here. Not sure who the other idiot is But this is exactly what they want don't let them win mate.
In all the pages on these forums....I have not seen an unhappy customer post. That's all that needs saying really. Remember a lot more than these twat's have spoke out in your cause so do not fall for the negativity
Cheers J
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 8:30:52 GMT
The protective undercurrents in this thread leave me cold. It's cool to be able swear and generally have gutter humour regarding avatars blah,blah,blah but heaven forbid anyone should have a different opinion. Maybe I'm being naive but I expected more from a newly found forum. Still. start as you mean to go on. Quite what people being awesome/nice/generous has to do with 'trade deals' is beyond my understand. Better stick the simpleton hat on me too This urban art community is pretty smell so when one of 'our' own does well it should be applauded. Yes, you can critique said work but inevitably people are going to support a galleriest who has added a lot to these forums and an artist who many on here count as a great guy and a friend.. If Castle wants to do a trade deal that's his business and I hope he comes back.
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Post by hubblebubble on Jun 24, 2015 8:34:23 GMT
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe…
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.
All those… moments… will be lost in time, like tears… in… rain.
Time… to die…
-- cheers Andy --
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Post by alittle on Jun 24, 2015 11:15:53 GMT
Don't let internet comments get to you so much. No reason to leave.
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Post by j0hnny on Jun 24, 2015 11:45:44 GMT
I second that. You obviously enjoy the forums mate and you offer help and advice to people even when you don't know it. Just take it on the chin.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 12:20:40 GMT
I appreciate i may have been abrupt but did not expect to be called some choice names. I didn't mean to offend everyone with an attack on castle but at the same time I was trying to express my concern that a gallery now representing the artist was actively driving secondary market demand and from where i stand, increased secondary gives sound justification to make significant shifts on the primary market pricing. Your man says he knows every trick in the book so i guess we just have to take his word that we aren't being played as he's that good we would never know any how. Bubba come on, logic isn't needed if someone's popular and obviously wonderful Logics overrated. Popular and obviously wonderfuls the way to go. You should watch harvey ya chirpy chap.
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Post by bubba on Jun 24, 2015 12:34:54 GMT
I didn't make comments with the intention of making someone leave. I called hype - Jeez, some people get accused of far worse than that when they hold 2 or 3 pieces and make a positive comment. This guy represents the artist and is actively manipulating his market - He tells everyone how he knows every trick in the book and then tells everyone he is as honest as they come.
Not sure why he felt the need to leave - maybe being the only gallery he thought he had every right to do as he pleased without being challenged - I can see the attacks he has already made, many personal attacks, yet he can't take something very mild in comparison (ok i called him a c but only because he was already being insulting)
Hypocrisy and double standards beyond belief
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Post by sturban on Jun 24, 2015 12:42:47 GMT
Don't leave Andy, that is exactly what they want! I'm surprised you even bothered to justify your reasons to them, there's no need to. Don't know who they are, but poldick came on here with one intention, to stir shit. He apparently hates every artist brought into conversation, laying bait for someone to bite. This place has proved itself to work and imo a nicer place to be. Sure, there will still be members coming here from the other side doing the same, but if it's ignored, it will go away!
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Post by blade on Jun 24, 2015 12:47:59 GMT
I didn't make comments with the intention of making someone leave. I called hype - Jeez, some people get accused of far worse than that when they hold 2 or 3 pieces and make a positive comment. This guy represents the artist and is actively manipulating his market - He tells everyone how he knows every trick in the book and then tells everyone he is as honest as they come. Not sure why he felt the need to leave - maybe being the only gallery he thought he had every right to do as he pleased without being challenged - I can see the attacks he has already made, many personal attacks, yet he can't take something very mild in comparison (ok i called him a c but only because he was already being insulting) Hypocrisy and double standards beyond belief Just awful form, you couldn't let Castle trade his Banksy for Kunstrasen without attacking his post. Now a member who actually contributed positively to this forum feels he doesn't want to be a member here anymore. And we are left with the toxic personalities of Hubba and Poldark. I'm sure if we had a vote on who'd we would rather have as a member, Castle would be here and a couple of members would be voted off. Shame.
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Post by hunter007 on Jun 24, 2015 12:56:58 GMT
Looking back through this , it does strike me that if you disagree and voice it against the "nice guys" then you are a bad man?. I dont really see anything wrong with what bubba has said, other than the Cunt calling, but hey its just a word init. and like he says he was called an idiot and that firstly and i assume that the name calling was a knee jerk reaction.
Castle , do and have offered great stuff i am sure, but but but,... why cant his methods and actions be questioned?. again you all say a great guy , and i am not saying otherwse, just purely highlighting we dont all have to agree,or even care if he a good guy, if you view his actions as a little offish or whatever then you should be able to voice this.
we are all adults,, (barely)? a few words thrown around shouldnt hurt your feelings really, it is the bloody internet init.
I dont know bubba or castle, just to clear it up. But i can also see what bubba is saying in some aspects, not saying it is right, ut i seem to share a very familiar view point to his.
I own nothing from Kunst,
lets not head down the notnotnotbanksyforum
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Post by mojo on Jun 24, 2015 13:00:14 GMT
For Fucks sake Andy Fuck the Fucking Fuckers and get back on here! I for one do not want to be part of a forum without a person that has refused an invite to a naked poetry reading or has the skill to share with the world that horses say Hell.
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Post by bubba on Jun 24, 2015 13:15:26 GMT
Offering Banksy for Kunstrasen is a very shrewd and manipulative move perfectly timed for when he has just come on to said galleries books - I'm sure plenty remember someone tried to do the same with Ernest Zacharevic and was vilified for it. I simply called hype and am now enemy no1.
Ive read and re-read this thread - can't really see the issue but then I'm not wearing him like a sombrero and if you replaced CGI with JBoy then there would have been murders for the same move
Cant believe the guy has left given what he has openly vented about since he started on here. I believe it was right to warn people that the person hyping Kunstrasen is actually the Gallery managing him - do you feel people shouldn't have been aware ? back to my comment about hypocrisy and double standards
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