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Post by notmattl on Oct 2, 2015 16:41:49 GMT
Got it. - Share of households owning gun between 1975-2010 at all time low, down 17pp. - Over the same period though population went from 215 to 310 million so absolute number of guns in circulation can still be on the up and up (depending on how many guns each household has on average over he same period but this probably had not shrunk) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 16:53:21 GMT
@notmatti was not implying no guns around. Was more that the ban guns concept is popular but I think the problem is deeper than just ban guns. Similar to young Brit Muslims blowing up tubes etc. those that wanna do it will regardless of legal or not etc. note hate the NRA and all it stands for but .....they are not the only oroblem
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Post by dashboll on Oct 2, 2015 16:56:52 GMT
Guns don’t kill people. People who say “Guns don’t kill people” kill people. With guns.
(Rob Delaney)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 17:00:26 GMT
This is just as much a mental health issue as it is a gun issue. Guns just make it easier.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 2, 2015 17:11:35 GMT
This is just as much a mental health issue as it is a gun issue. Guns just make it easier. Don't be ridiculous. It is certainly a mental health issue but to assign parity between the two areas is cretinous. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 17:13:59 GMT
This is just as much a mental health issue as it is a gun issue. Guns just make it easier. Don't be ridiculous. It is certainly a mental health issue but to assign parity between the two areas is cretinous. I stand by my statement. |
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Post by tartarus on Oct 2, 2015 17:32:03 GMT
Don't be ridiculous. It is certainly a mental health issue but to assign parity between the two areas is cretinous. I stand by my statement. Nice balloon you have there. |
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 2, 2015 17:43:07 GMT
Don't be ridiculous. It is certainly a mental health issue but to assign parity between the two areas is cretinous. I stand by my statement. Then you're a fucking idiot.... |
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Post by notmattl on Oct 2, 2015 18:01:36 GMT
This is just as much a mental health issue as it is a gun issue. Guns just make it easier. So in the many many countries similar to the U.S. where these shootings do not happen, is it because they have less mental health issue or less access to guns ? I get your drift but it doesn't work honestly. As was said there is hardly parity between the issues although both played a role here |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 19:34:01 GMT
Where doesn't it happen? Happened in Europe, Asia, Africa en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killersNot as frequently admittedly however that is yes partly to do with gun availability but I would suggest there are also other factors as well. It could also be that other areas will see an increase in the future. I would doubt for those commenting that any sane person does this so there are obviously mental issues or pressures for those that commit these acts. That's not an excuse for them but certainly I would also agree and suggest that mental health issues are v high up there as part of the cause. |
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Post by manty on Oct 2, 2015 19:47:07 GMT
If everybody there was carrying a gun, they'd have been better equipped to defend thmselves. So the solution is more guns. Guns for everyone. i heard an american priest or chaplain or something similar say exactly that on tv So very surreal |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Oct 2, 2015 20:53:06 GMT
For gun nuts, there are 2 options. 1) All the guns they already have. 2) More guns than they already have.
Fewer guns is just not an option. Not even close.
Fewer guns, Zac. No guns at all. |
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Post by dot on Oct 2, 2015 21:07:44 GMT
I hear the Obama chap has mentioned it doesn't happen in other countries.. He went as far to mention the uk in his speech.
Thanks for that , I wonder do Americans listen , do they actually care , do they have any control ...
It would appear not in a few cases , more full them.
Still I haven't been over for a few years , know plenty of good friends over there , and do think this is due to happen again within the next few weeks.
Takes a while to change things over there , eh ? dunblane and hungerford was enough for us over here....
Is America a democracy ?
( oh and yes , not sure if the uk is at times.. I know.. But generally it's ok... )
NRA , says it all.... ! bigger than democracy ?
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Post by ouroboros on Oct 2, 2015 21:10:01 GMT
zak is a christian, anti abortionist, likes rand paul and is pro guns.
i can see a contradiction between every one of of those positions held, yet Zak is hardly unique.
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Post by hubblebubble on Oct 2, 2015 21:27:52 GMT
Has anyone seen Michael Moore's BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE? Really, really interesting. Not so recent but just as relevant as ever. Watch.
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Post by Southbound on Oct 2, 2015 23:18:21 GMT
For gun nuts, there are 2 options. 1) All the guns they already have. 2) More guns than they already have.
Fewer guns is just not an option. Not even close.
Fewer guns, Zac. No guns at all. There was a student that was an ex-vet who was carrying a concealed pistol (he had a concealed carry permit) who said he did not engage the shooter but instead stayed with his classmates and protected them. He said he did not engage becuase he knew the swat team would be arriving ASAP and without knowing their timeline and them not knowing that he was trying to help, it would only make the situation worse (i.e. That there was more then one shooter, or that he was the gunman). So people onsite with guns did not think that it would help the situation. |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Oct 3, 2015 0:05:35 GMT
Jokes and know-it-all opinions
unfuckingbelievable
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Post by poledance on Oct 3, 2015 6:04:18 GMT
like so many problems in modern society, this is a result of fractured societies, of not enough compassion for your fellow human, of services not helping those that need help. slowly slowly we're all pushed towards believing that private is best, that helping others (truly helping others, through public institutions ) is a sign of weakness. that's it best to press like, or dig into your pocket for some change, rather than believe in nationwide structures that make a difference. It's never violence, it's never more barriers, it's never pushing people out of their homes. there are not easy conclusions, not easy solutions, ho hum.
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Post by ouroboros on Oct 3, 2015 9:20:18 GMT
Jeb Bush reaction to the shootings "Stuff Happens"
Donald Trump reaction to the shootings " These things happen"
""We're in a difficult time in our country and I don't think more government is necessarily the answer to this," Bush said. "I think we need to reconnect ourselves with everybody else. It's very sad to see. But I resist the notion, and I had this challenge as governor—look, stuff happens. There's always a crisis. The impulse is always to do something and it's not necessarily the right thing to do."
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Post by Dr. Plip on Oct 3, 2015 11:55:48 GMT
What can you say that hasn't been said a million times before? If things aren't changed then things won't change.
I thought Obama's statement yesterday was probably one of the most heartfelt I've ever seen from a president.
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Post by IggyWiggy on Mar 12, 2016 23:10:52 GMT
Not funny or anything, but it's 20 yrs on from the Dunblane shootings on the 13th March 1996. Time for reflection perhaps. Plenty of ongoing debate. Do we turn schools into Fort Knox? Do we have armed security guards? Do we have metal detectors? Do we make a statement by saying fuck everyone who goes on about toolin' up schools and shit? I remember my disbelief on watching the news with my parents. I was only young but even so ...
My local secondary school recently erected fencing all around. It's got a shit load of ground to surround, only 19 and a bit yrs to take effect?
I'm an atheist but I wish peace and love on all, and hope that those affected by Dunblane can find the peace to move on. The country felt your loss and the tragedy will live on in our collective consciousness.
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