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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 2, 2015 11:15:17 GMT
...Since Obama’s reelection in November 2012 there have been 993 mass shooting events in the United States, not including today...
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Post by Dr. Plip on Oct 2, 2015 11:36:00 GMT
What can you say? Every time Obama has to go on TV and make yet another statement regarding a mass shooting, you can see the desperation in him. He has nothing more to say. The gun lobby is in full control until the public demand change. It has to come from the bottom up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 11:36:13 GMT
Real shame they never hit the round 1000 mark very disappointing. Really think the current Chairman should resign after hitting such poor figures
Seriously though when I was in the States a couple of months ago and they were doing the hustings for who would represent who in the Presidential elections. Was really shocked that the NRA were actually running TV adverts and a fair few of them as I noticed slagging off one of the candidates as he was not pro guns. Can't remember who the candidate was just these adverts that were running.
So their power and money is just amazing really bizzare so think it will never end
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 2, 2015 11:39:11 GMT
I'd very much recommend watching 'Bowling fo Columbine', for anyone who hasn't. The tactics used by the NRA and the rabid right wing media to spread fear, and divide people look increasing familiar in modern Britain...
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Post by IggyWiggy on Oct 2, 2015 11:39:59 GMT
If everybody there was carrying a gun, they'd have been better equipped to defend thmselves. So the solution is more guns. Guns for everyone.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 2, 2015 11:41:23 GMT
The right to arm bears...  |
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Post by someonesbrain on Oct 2, 2015 11:56:00 GMT
If everybody there was carrying a gun, they'd have been better equipped to defend thmselves. So the solution is more guns. Guns for everyone. Are you the author of the books "Cold War Tactics" and "Deterrence or: the Balance of Terror"? P.S. I'd have put some kind of smiley next to my remark, but it seemed inapproriate within this thread. |
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Post by ouroboros on Oct 2, 2015 12:08:10 GMT
Joke of the day
Q; How many NRA members does it take to change a lightbulb ?
A; More guns
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Post by poledance on Oct 2, 2015 12:17:59 GMT
Call me old fashioned but let's not fucking joke about this eh
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Post by ouroboros on Oct 2, 2015 13:32:37 GMT
That's just it.its not an joke.
The NRA have been advocating armed volunteers to be stationed at schools and teachers to be armed for some years now- as a direct response to years of school shootings. there have been 45 school shootings tin the US this year. Not all are fatal or make the headline, but the NRA trot out the same mantra each time.
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Post by notmattl on Oct 2, 2015 14:13:15 GMT
It is an absolute mindfuck this.
Every time there is a shooting, and someone says "right this time we are putting an end to this nonsense"....it just makes the NRA stronger and validates their point that actually more guns are needed.
You would think that every chart showing how many people get shot per year putting he US well ahead of any place in the world, and repeated shootings of children for fucks sake, would at some point stop this perverse dialectic from working...
Repeat the same, expect different outcome and all that
I just do not fuckin get it
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Oct 2, 2015 14:26:15 GMT
It is an absolute mindfuck this. Every time there is a shooting, and someone says "right this time we are putting an end to this nonsense"....it just makes the NRA stronger and validates their point that actually more guns are needed. You would think that every chart showing how many people get shot per year putting he US well ahead of any place in the world, and repeated shootings of children for fucks sake, would at some point stop this perverse dialectic from working... Repeat the same, expect different outcome and all that I just do not fuckin get it unfortunately, both the NRA and gun lovers are embedded deep into American history and culture. It's like stopping a freight train that only gets faster every time someone tries to slow it down |
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Post by ouroboros on Oct 2, 2015 14:29:30 GMT
Turner argueably laid the base for this back in 1893 in winsonsin iirc. his paper was all all about the frontier mentality in US society as was. He meant it to show how America could dispense with the handed down customs of the old world and elicit a future that was not tainted by the past innit. I don't suppose he ever considered that his Frontier thesis ideas could be used to justify a higher level of gun ownership a century later ...
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Post by notmattl on Oct 2, 2015 14:33:36 GMT
It is an absolute mindfuck this. Every time there is a shooting, and someone says "right this time we are putting an end to this nonsense"....it just makes the NRA stronger and validates their point that actually more guns are needed. You would think that every chart showing how many people get shot per year putting he US well ahead of any place in the world, and repeated shootings of children for fucks sake, would at some point stop this perverse dialectic from working... Repeat the same, expect different outcome and all that I just do not fuckin get it unfortunately, both the NRA and gun lovers are embedded deep into American history and culture. It's like stopping a freight train that only gets faster every time someone tries to slow it down Sadly I know this is the case. But it still fucks with mind. This is not like saying, our industry is destroying the planet but we as a nation to choose to ignore this. That is mostly a victimless crime in a land where consumption and free enterprise trumps all.. But these shootings ? A majority of people, or at least a very big and very vocal group of people, saying let's fight to make sure kids can keep getting shot in their schools and their homes and in the cinemas ? These are your own fucking children and you are fighting for their right to be shot !!! |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Oct 2, 2015 14:59:20 GMT
America is still a relatively young country. I don't know if its history of colonisation/revolution, as well as fear-mongering from the war machine has anything to do with a love of guns, but it can't help matters. There are just too many guns out there now. Can't take them back.
Could you make bullets illegal?
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 2, 2015 15:14:01 GMT
When my partner was at one of their facilities in Texas, she sent me this picture of the magazine rack in reception....  |
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 2, 2015 15:16:34 GMT
They are an international electronics group.
Kinda puts the old 'Womens Circle' and 'Bella' magazine pile in the doctors into perspective
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Post by Dr. Plip on Oct 2, 2015 15:24:52 GMT
I'm hoping that on his final day in the job, Obama loses his shit and makes an extremely frank statement to the NRA on national TV.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 15:25:53 GMT
To be fair though the number of households with guns in America has been on the decline for years....,yet these type of killings are becoming more frequent. Similarly a massively different demographic to normal gun crime.
Eg drugs are illegal but loads exist and sales are open. If you make guns illegal in America will it change anything they will not just disappear. Not supporting NRA or guns just some observations to be considered
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Post by notmattl on Oct 2, 2015 15:43:31 GMT
To be fair though the number of households with guns in America has been on the decline Do you have a source for that ? Not splitting hairs but genuinely interested. I remember an analysis from 2014, built on massive data set, showing that although after every shooting, there would be large amounts of people advocating gun control, you would actually see huge spikes in the purchase of guns. The biggest spikes being where the shooing happened. This just shows how spot on the NRA message is. So if overall there is a decline (which can be attributed to saturation of course, and if shootings that are more frequent lead to more guns being sold, that would mean that when things calm down after a shooting there is a huge drop to compensate ? |
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Post by notmattl on Oct 2, 2015 15:49:59 GMT
And do you think people on gun forums have a thread called "another Banksy print sold for a stupid price" ?
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Post by iamzero on Oct 2, 2015 15:59:02 GMT
How would you even go about banning guns in the states? We can't even stop people from using mobile phones whilst driving.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 16:00:46 GMT
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Oct 2, 2015 16:07:59 GMT
How would you even go about banning guns in the states? We can't even stop people from using mobile phones whilst driving. certain types of guns should be banned outright, and a more complicated background check system would go a long way to help. the way it is now, you can basically walk into a gun show and walk out with a killing machine that has no sport or protection purpose BUT you'd also have to change the culture here. plenty of other countries have lots of guns, but not as many school shootings....get rid of the culture of fear (thanks, media!) parents need to be more active in their children's life (Americans work too much leaving some children un or under parented), mental illness needs to be understood better, we need to be more empathetic etc etc... the list goes on. not any one right answer sadly |
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Post by Southbound on Oct 2, 2015 16:10:49 GMT
How would you even go about banning guns in the states? We can't even stop people from using mobile phones whilst driving. at the very least they could close the gunshow loophole. It would only be a drop in the bucket, but it's a start. |
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