Justin Bieber's New Album Cover

It's fucking shit, Bieber's a cunt, Rectum is a cunt (?), the art is shit. Jumped the shark, sucking a whole lot of cock...

Be rude to people if you like, but don't be rude about mental illness, it makes you look a bigger dIck, particularly as, with the previous breath you were referencing Rectum's 'issues...

I think of it like this - if it was my sister getting beaten, what would I do? I wouldn't be drinking with the perpetrator...

Christian, do you kiss you mother with that angry mouth? Is that the same angry mouth you tell your children stories with?

Because you are stereotyping a whole group of people, whereas I am being very specific with my ire.

But that's ok, wouldn't want you to have to think...

I'm not a fan of Justin Bieber or his music, so I don't see myself buying this album. And while I find Retna's symbols aesthetically pleasing and harmless, I sadly can't say the same for him.

I understand the statistics regarding the cycle of abuse, but (barring mental illness), I think we should all be held responsible for our actions. Of course, not every abuser was abused as a child. Sometimes ferocious bastards just happen. Whether that's from temper, drink & drugs, blah, blah, blah. Yes, they can change their behaviour. But it's not enough to just stop. Or apologise. Or write a cheque. They have to make amends as well. And that takes real change. And time.

And for me, people that behave badly should not in any way be idolised or lightly forgiven.

Oh, and, as I'm sure you already know, mental illness can affect anyone at any time.

No one is saying bad or whatever people can't make good art, it'd just that should you choose to support an individual when you know to some extent you disprove of their actions.

Compare it to Hitlers speeches,
I'm sure you can appreciate the guy could talk. But if he was doing a ted talk would you go to see it,

But are you just supporting their art? Aren't you also supporting the artist? Sure, you might not be condoning their actions, but you are giving them money and supporting their lifestyle. And yes, some successful and talented artists were also shitbags. Just because they make good or great art, they don't get a free pass. If they're arseholes, we can still call them on it. I don't give a monkey's how well they paint.

But of course we all get to decide how comfortable we are about hanging the pretty work of a shitbag on our wall. Your wall, your money.

Life isn't black and white. We all make our own choices and people can hang Hitler's paintings if they wish. I've already said how I don't think bad people should be idolised. But I will also say that I think it's perfectly acceptable to financially incentivise someone that's behaving reprehensibly, to encourage them to change their ways.

Christ. I can't belieb we brought Hitler into this.

First time I saw the work of retna I was flashed but than I got bored of it very quick. First time I saw Justin Bieber on TV I was instantly bored.
So all together I would say this is boring. But of course that's only my view and I'm sure a lot of people love it.

I wouldn't buy art from somebody I know he's doing shit like beating women. Didn't read enough about retna case to talk about it concrete. But if the person behind the art is shit I can't like it. Even if I loved it before I knew he is shit. Would be sad for a second but I don't like to give my money to sb acting like shit. I still regret buying that homophobic beanie man dance hall lp 15years ago without knowing about because I didn't understand a word and only liked the groove

It's an interesting topic of discussion though.

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What are art collectors willing to overlook when it comes to an artist and collecting their work?
Bad politics?
Racism?
Drugs?
Bit of shoplifting?
History of assault on men?
History of assault on women?
Indecent exposure?
Sex offences?
Murder?
Mass murder?

Rolf Harris fans have recently had to ask themselves whether they're still able to enjoy their Ayres Rock print.

People do collect art created by some violent people. And prison art is collected too. Sex offences seem a no-no, but people seem quite able to ignore artists that beat women. What if it was children instead? Still a private matter or just some issues that need to be worked out?

We all get to have our own moral compass (both good and bad), but it is interesting. There's no definitive right or wrong, you can buy and hang what you like. Whether that's a Retna, a Charles Bronson, Charles Manson or Anders Breivik. Or a Rolf Harris.

It's a personal choice. And an artist can always be a dick at any time, but if I still choose to admire or collect their work after they've behaved reprehensibly, then I think that reflects on me. But we're all different.