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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 5:14:28 GMT
You ever considered that with all his dissident money making and promotion he actually might be drowning out the real voice of some who are really suffering!!!!! I cannot clam to know exactly what 'dissident' money is but, hey, that's fine. I am, however, interested in the people he is drowning out. Can you name three for me, and tell me how he is drowning them out and why they should be heard? Thanks Do something sensible then look things up!! You could try amnesty etc.[ br].but it is a great question and there are not a shortage of dissidents not only in China but globally so using the Amnesty list why don't we re ask your question and you name 3 of them who are not worthy of a mention by Ai Wei Wei over his Lego story. Be very interested to see who you can come up with. I'll make it easy you can use the global list not just the Chinese. Maybe Shady etc would like to contribute their list of the undeserving. There are people still incarcerated for being part of a Banksy print you know the for sale one!!!! There are plenty of others and many better causes than him getting Lego.... Note he was refused back in September he waited saying anything as it would have clashed with London opening. London media down start the Aus campaign while adding to Lindon promotion ...sorry mate it's marketing Look forward to your list in answer to your question mine is the whole list |
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 30, 2015 7:54:25 GMT
I cannot clam to know exactly what 'dissident' money is but, hey, that's fine. I am, however, interested in the people he is drowning out. Can you name three for me, and tell me how he is drowning them out and why they should be heard? Thanks Do something sensible then look things up!! You could try amnesty etc.[ br].but it is a great question and there are not a shortage of dissidents not only in China but globally so using the Amnesty list why don't we re ask your question and you name 3 of them who are not worthy of a mention by Ai Wei Wei over his Lego story. Be very interested to see who you can come up with. I'll make it easy you can use the global list not just the Chinese. Maybe Shady etc would like to contribute their list of the undeserving. There are people still incarcerated for being part of a Banksy print you know the for sale one!!!! There are plenty of others and many better causes than him getting Lego.... Note he was refused back in September he waited saying anything as it would have clashed with London opening. London media down start the Aus campaign while adding to Lindon promotion ...sorry mate it's marketing Look forward to your list in answer to your question mine is the whole list Can you name three for me, and tell me how he is drowning them out and why they should be heard? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 10:07:47 GMT
@stiill hate Thatcher Just trying to understand this Why are you so desperate for me to name 3? Can you not look up amnesty your self? Drowning out easy really he is taking up media space!! So not so difficult even for you. However what was the Lego to be used for? Portraits of political prisoner ....yes !!! Even you will agree on that. However in all of the Lego press and media coverage he has gained...it's all about him and his show. Not once has a prisoner been named. So he could be mentioning cases people or issues. But no his media efforts are focused on promoting himself and his show. To make it easy for you In China Lui Xia Bo Li Yan Liu Xia Wang Yanning However you want global names go here. Also a great thing on the mistreatment of Reffugees trying to get into Aus obviously none of those problems in Europe!!! www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/australia-damning-evidence-of-officials-involvement-in-transnational-crime-uncovered/www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/casesAnything else you require ?? now you name 3 that are less deserving of some media that he could have gained rather than focusing on Lego |
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 30, 2015 12:47:55 GMT
You have an unusual (to me) binary worldview. If this, then that. I can't begin to understand it. It must make life, politics, opinions much easier for you but I feel your thinking lacks finesse, lacks shade and texture. It's like a child thinks - LIKE! DONT LIKE! You are not someone with whom I can converse. The way you structure an 'argument' (I use the term loosely) follows no known rules. It must be exhausting for you.
All the best...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 13:42:22 GMT
You have an unusual (to me) binary worldview. If this, then that. I can't begin to understand it. It must make life, politics, opinions much easier for you but I feel your thinking lacks finesse, lacks shade and texture. It's like a child thinks - LIKE! DONT LIKE! You are not someone with whom I can converse. The way you structure an 'argument' (I use the term loosely) follows no known rules. It must be exhausting for you. All the best... Ha ha so your not naming 3 then. Thought so. I lack finesse child like from"still hate Thatcher". Your problem is you shout about the headline but as has just been proved have no depth or substance to your argument .That's why your shouting about Lego!!! Your basically a fool!! |
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 30, 2015 13:48:54 GMT
You have an unusual (to me) binary worldview. If this, then that. I can't begin to understand it. It must make life, politics, opinions much easier for you but I feel your thinking lacks finesse, lacks shade and texture. It's like a child thinks - LIKE! DONT LIKE! You are not someone with whom I can converse. The way you structure an 'argument' (I use the term loosely) follows no known rules. It must be exhausting for you. All the best... Ha ha so your not naming 3 then. Thought so. I lack finesse child like from"still hate Thatcher". Your problem is you shout about the headline but as has just been proved have no depth or substance to your argument .. Your basically a fool!! QED... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 18:09:56 GMT
Hey, look... art made by Lego bricks. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 2:53:40 GMT
Hey, look... art made by Lego bricks. Sorry wrong again. Another bit of miss information from your honest mate Ai Wei Wei It's not Art although it does look very nice. It's an architectural piece. He cannot find a political piece they have supported so he is showing this !!! Note art and political are not necessarily the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 3:12:50 GMT
Your animosity toward AWW is admirable. I do hope you channel it into something more positive as well.
Is architecture not art? Is architecture not political? Do you think tall buildings are built just to be tall, or perhaps some other reason? Not to crush your view of the world, but architecture is very political. Bigger, better, shinier.
Nonetheless matey, your opinion will do nothing to sway the support AWW receives. Just like AWW's protest of Lego will do nothing against the Lego corporation. Shit, I just bought a mini figure tonight,
Smile mate. It feels good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 3:20:25 GMT
Also, AWW is one of the most influential artists in the world, whether you like it or not. And unlike Banksy, he has the courage to put himself out there.
So there's that going for him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 5:10:35 GMT
I actually likes lot of his art just hate all his bullshit. And you lot harping on every word he says without looking underneath it.[br
You posted the picture implying it was an art work just pointing out its not its an architectural project modealthough and again he was not turns down because he was creating art he was turned down because it was politicall
then the likes of your self now desperately saying architecture is art and politics. The piece is not a political piece even if you regard it as art. Yes architecture has those elements but sorry in general not its key function in this instance which is the example that Ai Wei Wei and you gave. Eg when that's the best he can come up with other than a Star Wars figure then tends to imply that actually had nothing to do with him it's just that companies policy.
Whether the policy is right or not is northern issue but it is their right to have that policy.
However it's more about his marketing of himself than any other issue hence his new collection campaign sad really for such a good artist to lower himself in my view.
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Post by Peter Bengtsen on Oct 31, 2015 10:30:55 GMT
Hey, look... art made by Lego bricks. Sorry wrong again. Another bit of miss information from your honest mate Ai Wei Wei It's not Art although it does look very nice. It's an architectural piece. He cannot find a political piece they have supported so he is showing this !!! Note art and political are not necessarily the same. , you're wrong about Olafur Eliasson's The collectivity project, which is what is depicted in the above Instagram post, not being art. This can easily be ascertained by reading this excerpt of the description of the recent instalment of the project on the High Line: "For Panorama, Eliasson presents The collectivity project, an installation of white LEGO® bricks that features an imaginary cityscape conceived and designed by the public. [...] Installed in the growing shadow of the real estate development of Hudson Yards, the mutable, human-scale artwork provides a compelling counterpoint to the concrete-and-steel towers that form the project’s backdrop." (Source: art.thehighline.org/project/olafureliasson/). Further, The collectivity project is listed as an artwork on the artist's website: olafureliasson.net/archive/artwork/WEK100711/the-collectivity-project. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 11:43:24 GMT
Sorry wrong again. Another bit of miss information from your honest mate Ai Wei Wei It's not Art although it does look very nice. It's an architectural piece. He cannot find a political piece they have supported so he is showing this !!! Note art and political are not necessarily the same. , you're wrong about Olafur Eliasson's The collectivity project, which is what is depicted in the above Instagram post, not being art. This can easily be ascertained by reading this excerpt of the description of the recent instalment of the project on the High Line: "For Panorama, Eliasson presents The collectivity project, an installation of white LEGO® bricks that features an imaginary cityscape conceived and designed by the public. [...] Installed in the growing shadow of the real estate development of Hudson Yards, the mutable, human-scale artwork provides a compelling counterpoint to the concrete-and-steel towers that form the project’s backdrop." (Source: art.thehighline.org/project/olafureliasson/). Further, The collectivity project is listed as an artwork on the artist's website: olafureliasson.net/archive/artwork/WEK100711/the-collectivity-project. As said architecture has elements of art etc but this piece is an architectural project. It's actually called the porous City. It was one part of a project ran through lots of universities about the development of pour us buildings and Cities.!Reason I know is actually went to and saw the ones done by Hong Kong students. So the description on the high line can call it what it wants but it is an architectural project. That aside the key point being it is not a political project. Lego did not refuse Ai Wei Wei because he was producing art. They refused him as they have done with others because it was political. They supported this as it was part of an educational thing I assume. |
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Post by happymeal on Oct 31, 2015 12:17:48 GMT
Would Banksy be proud of your life choices?
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 31, 2015 12:18:58 GMT
johnnyh, you're wrong about Olafur Eliasson's The collectivity project, which is what is depicted in the above Instagram post, not being art. This can easily be ascertained by reading this excerpt of the description of the recent instalment of the project on the High Line: "For Panorama, Eliasson presents The collectivity project, an installation of white LEGO® bricks that features an imaginary cityscape conceived and designed by the public. [...] Installed in the growing shadow of the real estate development of Hudson Yards, the mutable, human-scale artwork provides a compelling counterpoint to the concrete-and-steel towers that form the project’s backdrop." (Source: art.thehighline.org/project/olafureliasson/). Further, The collectivity project is listed as an artwork on the artist's website: olafureliasson.net/archive/artwork/WEK100711/the-collectivity-project. As said architecture has elements of art etc but this piece is an architectural project. It's actually called the porous City. It was one part of a project ran through lots of universities about the development of pour us buildings and Cities.!Reason I know is actually went to and saw the ones done by Hong Kong students. So the description on the high line can call it what it wants but it is an architectural project. That aside the key point being it is not a political project. Lego did not refuse Ai Wei Wei because he was producing art. They refused him as they have done with others because it was political. They supported this as it was part of an educational thing I assume. This is what mean about your simplistic, binary though process. Perhaps it is art and architecture and politics! Ermagurd! Is that, like, even possible? Shuttup! Rad, man... |
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Post by Peter Bengtsen on Oct 31, 2015 12:39:23 GMT
johnnyh, you're wrong about Olafur Eliasson's The collectivity project, which is what is depicted in the above Instagram post, not being art. This can easily be ascertained by reading this excerpt of the description of the recent instalment of the project on the High Line: "For Panorama, Eliasson presents The collectivity project, an installation of white LEGO® bricks that features an imaginary cityscape conceived and designed by the public. [...] Installed in the growing shadow of the real estate development of Hudson Yards, the mutable, human-scale artwork provides a compelling counterpoint to the concrete-and-steel towers that form the project’s backdrop." (Source: art.thehighline.org/project/olafureliasson/). Further, The collectivity project is listed as an artwork on the artist's website: olafureliasson.net/archive/artwork/WEK100711/the-collectivity-project. As said architecture has elements of art etc but this piece is an architectural project. It's actually called the porous City. It was one part of a project ran through lots of universities about the development of pour us buildings and Cities.!Reason I know is actually went to and saw the ones done by Hong Kong students. So the description on the high line can call it what it wants but it is an architectural project. That aside the key point being it is not a political project. Lego did not refuse Ai Wei Wei because he was producing art. They refused him as they have done with others because it was political. They supported this as it was part of an educational thing I assume. Thank you for pointing out the Porous City project, which I was not previously aware of. However, what the Porous City was or was not is irrelevant to this discussion. As can clearly be seen in the specific Instagram photo under discussion (see below image with red highlight), it is not Porous City, but indeed The collectivity project that is depicted. A project which both High Line Art and Eliasson categorise as art.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 12:41:53 GMT
@ Still Hate Thatcher. I may be simplistic but you know what we can discuss whether architecture is politics or not but it does not matter
Lego did not regard this project as politics. Their company their choice, their definition .....it's what happens in the free world. oh and by the way think the one Peter mentions is diff to the one Ai Wei Wei used.
Point being your desperately clutching at straws now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 12:57:26 GMT
@ Peter bengtsen not sure on that Peter but either way in a sense it's irrelevant as whether art or architecture has nothing to do with the refusal of Lego. Lego refused him on the grounds of politicicl usage not art.
There are number of refusals on google for same reasons and nothing to do with art....just politics women in the Supreme Court for Internationsl women's day. The pirate party TV advert
In both the above they did not supply the pieces just took actions after
Anyway enough Lego told him no that's their choice and they say the same to everyone else who wants to use for political points
I am now watching the foota and then the rugby so will be pissed so no more anyone please
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Post by Peter Bengtsen on Oct 31, 2015 13:09:27 GMT
@ Peter bengsten not sure on that Peter but either way in a sense it's irrelevant as whether art or architecture has nothing to do with the refusal of Lego. Lego refused him on the grounds of politics not art. There are number of refusals on google for same reasons and nothing to do with art....just politics women in the Supreme Court for Internationsl women's day. The pirate party TV advert In both the above they did not supply the pieces just took actions after What makes you unsure? The image clearly depicts The collectivity project, not the unrelated Porous City project. Please note that my interjection was not related to anything other than your categorisation of The collectivity project as "not art". In this context, the discussion of whether something is art is - of course - very relevant. The wider debate on this thread about the refusal of LEGO to supply an artist with their product falls outside the scope of my comment. However, I would point out that - in virtue of the description of The collectivity project as having been "Installed in the growing shadow of the real estate development of Hudson Yards" and the artwork providing "a compelling counterpoint to the concrete-and-steel towers that form the project’s backdrop" through its mutable, human scale - Eliasson's project could certainly be seen as political. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 13:50:52 GMT
@ Peter Bentsen as say Peter I am unsure however I am happy to concede if it is as you say it is an art project with architectural input overtones etc so I would be wrong on that point. whether it can or can't be described as political whether people do or do not want to I would say this.
It is certainly not obviously political and more importantly obviously Lego do not regard it as political again their choice.
It's half time so if you want a response be quick
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Post by Peter Bengtsen on Oct 31, 2015 15:37:27 GMT
@ Peter Bentsen as say Peter I am unsure however I am happy to concede if it is as you say it is an art project with architectural input overtones etc so I would be wrong on that point. whether it can or can't be described as political whether people do or do not want to I would say this. It is certainly not obviously political and more importantly obviously Lego do not regard it as political again their choice. It's half time so if you want a response be quick Whether or not something is political of course ultimately comes down to individual interpretation. When it comes to LEGO's stance, I have no grounds on which to assess whether LEGO deems The collectivity project to be political. What seems clear, however, is that the company does not consider any political messages that might be read into the project to pose a threat to LEGO's brand and business. I think it is worth noting that the projects, at least as I understand them, are quite different. Eliasson's project involves the audience in an active, creative and playful manner. This can be strongly associated with LEGO's core values. From what I understand - and my knowledge on this is quite limited - Weiwei's project does not have this participatory element. It is less clear why he would need to make the portraits specifically out of LEGO bricks instead of some other material. The project does not play into the material and conceptual properties of the LEGO brick in the same way as The collectivity project. From this point of view, it makes sense for LEGO to endorse (and even supply with free LEGO bricks) one project while refusing to supply materials for another. |
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