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Post by sleepy on Mar 12, 2017 2:32:10 GMT
Amazingly, I am still looking with a pipe dream that one will come up private, happy to do a no nonsense cash deal.
Pm if you are ready to sell.
Thanks again..
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Post by sleepy on May 6, 2017 1:08:11 GMT
Is there one out there before my money dries up?
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Post by sean on May 6, 2017 18:42:19 GMT
Is there one out there before my money dries up? Will message you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 6:48:06 GMT
Oh.... Will sleepy finally complete his long search for the illusive singed BW Trolley print? Stay tuned for the final episode next Monday exclusively on NBF! |
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Post by sleepy on May 31, 2017 14:49:17 GMT
Game over... Baby coming... it was fun while it lasted, now time to finally agree with the missus when she says 'no more art'!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 15:20:07 GMT
Game over... Baby coming... it was fun while it lasted, now time to finally agree with the missus when she says 'no more art'! Congrats mate!!!!! (On the baby, not the search result). You'll have more fun with spending the cash on the little one that piece of paper on the wall. |
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Post by sleepy on May 31, 2017 15:30:08 GMT
Game over... Baby coming... it was fun while it lasted, now time to finally agree with the missus when she says 'no more art'! Congrats mate!!!!! (On the baby, not the search result). You'll have more fun with spending the cash on the little one that piece of paper on the wall. Cheers mate! Between the two of us we must have gone from searching a £3000 print to a £20,000 one and still failed. All's well that ends well, and now just have to reduce some folders that will never make the walls.... new challenges await my friend. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 19:56:56 GMT
Congrats mate!!!!! (On the baby, not the search result). You'll have more fun with spending the cash on the little one that piece of paper on the wall. Cheers mate! Between the two of us we must have gone from searching a £3000 print to a £20,000 one and still failed. All's well that ends well, and now just have to reduce some folders that will never make the walls.... new challenges await my friend. You are telling me! Madness!!!!!! I sold the most of the stuff and still have loads of prints and originals looking for new homes. First world problems ej? |
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Post by sleepy on Aug 3, 2017 21:55:06 GMT
Was just looking and found a B&W LA u/s edition that sold for £8k.... now i've been away from here a while due to other commitments but can anyone tell me if that is really where an u/s is at?
I still don't and wont be able to own the signed beaut but am still interested where this is going..
anyone?
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Aug 4, 2017 7:44:26 GMT
Who know anymore, Sleepy? I mean this in absolute honest confusion. None of it makes sense, none of it. The hype and bullshit is just beyond my comprehension. I look at the price some of his stuff is going for and I look at what other art you could buy and it makes no sense. Beuys, Lichenstein,Man Ray, Warhol etc etc etc. I'm not saying these are 'better' but they are established, studied.
And as for the unsigned! What. The. Fuck! I've always loved Gilbert and George. When I was young I printed their images off, put them in a clip frame and ta da! I think the unsigned thing is an absolute inspired rip off for our times. Untouched by the hand of the artist. I've always wondered who pays money for the 'after' prints and this fucker isn't even dead. I get it from back when they were £50 but cannot understand now. A £10 unlimited litho selling for £1000!!! Sweet Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
Fwiw, this isn't sour grapes. I have several bits. I just can't make sense of the market. Surely, surely, surely the arse is gonna go soon?
Btw -- if anyone wants a soup can litho, few dinks as you would expect, it's yours for £995...
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Post by sleepy on Aug 4, 2017 8:37:10 GMT
I guess my mindset has changed somewhat with the newborn coming soon, but holy Mary, I draw the line at lynching, there will come a day i'm sure, when people get the heebie jeebies and start selling and this whole deck of cards comes crashing down.... I may then step in and get the print and be able to enjoy its simplistic pleasure for what I intended.
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Post by milo99 on Aug 4, 2017 10:08:00 GMT
Been wondering myself who would pay nearly a grand for a soupcan poster ha 😅
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Aug 4, 2017 12:03:48 GMT
no judgement on anybody - but IMO it's ridiculous to pay that much money for an unsigned print by any living artist, especially in this environment of artificially inflating supply/demand and pricing (look at Invader - that didn't happen by accident - certain people went around buying any print they could find just so they could bump up prices on the new prints)
also remember, for the most part, we're talking about street artists - it's not like say, Warhol or Rauschenberg, whose primary mediums were silkscreen. These street art prints were originally meant as "souvenirs" and the time and focus on the prints by these artists, in gerneral, were minimal. The work on walls is what they should be admired for. I'd doubt that in 100 years time, many people will be saying "Ah yes Banksy. Wasn't he the chap who did that print.....?"
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Aug 4, 2017 15:39:10 GMT
Souvenirs. Bang on.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Aug 4, 2017 15:45:20 GMT
for me, the fact that this is the exact sort of shit the original graffiti movement was rebelling against, is just saddening |
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Post by chainsaw on Aug 4, 2017 16:21:49 GMT
A souvenir should be a photo of the street art.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Aug 4, 2017 17:38:47 GMT
A souvenir should be a photo of the street art. I would agree with 'could', but disagree with 'should'. Why so prescriptive? |
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Post by chainsaw on Aug 4, 2017 18:06:11 GMT
I would agree with 'could', but disagree with 'should'. Why so prescriptive? I agree with you should would be better than could. Its the same reason I disagree with Easter cards, Best teacher cards etc... Commercialism and consumerism... its stuff that we/society shouldn't be pressured into imho. Hand made cards from kids to teachers. Flowers, chocolates or a small gift etc at easter (perhaps hand made) to me are better. A nice book/souvenier guide with images and words - about the artist and/or work. Photos of you /family/friends with the art/ object/building /location. I think its photos of friends at places are more meaningful to me that just a photo of the place. They are personal. A photo of a nice piece of street art with a friend in front of it, or next to it is a souvenier of a moment in time. I suppose street art is ephemeral as it gets repainted or erased. i'm rambling... "athena" posters on a wall were temporary, like magazine pull outs of your favorite pop star. I suppose souvenir posters in my mind are just as temporary. |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Aug 4, 2017 20:25:18 GMT
I would agree with 'could', but disagree with 'should'. Why so prescriptive? I agree with you should would be better than could. Its the same reason I disagree with Easter cards, Best teacher cards etc... Commercialism and consumerism... its stuff that we/society shouldn't be pressured into imho. Hand made cards from kids to teachers. Flowers, chocolates or a small gift etc at easter (perhaps hand made) to me are better. A nice book/souvenier guide with images and words - about the artist and/or work. Photos of you /family/friends with the art/ object/building /location. I think its photos of friends at places are more meaningful to me that just a photo of the place. They are personal. A photo of a nice piece of street art with a friend in front of it, or next to it is a souvenier of a moment in time. I suppose street art is ephemeral as it gets repainted or erased. i'm rambling... "athena" posters on a wall were temporary, like magazine pull outs of your favorite pop star. I suppose souvenir posters in my mind are just as temporary. sorry - i didn't make it clearer - saying "souvenier" was me quoting what Banksy once said about his prints... painting on the street was his art, the prints were just souveniers for fans or something along those lines. the fact that PC sells prints of 15 year old images for $60K know seriously makes my stomach turn screen printing is a fine art and some artists translate amazingly well to the medium. for a stencil artist to use a screen print, which is basically just a stencil, makes perfect sense, but IMO artists should use their prints to promote their street work, not the other way around - as seems to be in vogue these days... there are wayyyyy too many "street artists" who've released more prints than the number of walls they've painted I'm all for print releases - more artist making a living off their art is always a good thing, and for fans collecting to be able to get a print from an artist they love and they can hang up in their homes and enjoy, but a living artist purposely not signing a print to help drive up their prices or the fact that a good hunk of these prints are being stored in flat files (either as an "investment piece" or by artists/galleries driving up prices of their own work) goes against the ethics of graff as I've always understood them. |
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Post by chainsaw on Aug 4, 2017 20:46:28 GMT
I did misunderstand, sorry.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Aug 4, 2017 22:40:41 GMT
I did misunderstand, sorry. ? no need to apologize dude. these are good conversations that need to be had |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 7:28:29 GMT
POW selling prints etc for high value allows B to do things that few artists are capable of with financial restraints, he's still doing his thing but on a much larger scale now, it was always about getting as many people to see the work as possible and now thats more than ever, they've done well. It's a piece of paper with ink on it and in that sense worth a few quid, yrs of hard graft on the streets and otherwise have made it a brand with worth, also Pows control of release of work creates rarity, no different to diamonds, high end cars, successful musicians etc etc. If you really like the image but can't afford it print it off and stick it on the wall, enjoy it. Very few are now buying just because they like the image, very few could afford to do that, it's a commodity bought with the mindset that it could potentially be worth more in time.
Will people be saying in 100 yrs "Banksy, oh he's the guy that did that print..", I would say that's highly likely, he's part of art history now, taught in schools and colleagues, arguably the most talked about artist in the world right now, even if he stopped dead now he's made an unforgettable mark on the art world.
Girl with Balloon by Banksy is known by a huge % of people, reproduced and regurgitated relentlessly in every form, calendars, mugs, tattoos, keyring, posters etc, not one of my personal fav images but certainly one that will be remembered in history.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Aug 5, 2017 10:17:30 GMT
POW selling prints etc for high value allows B to do things that few artists are capable of with financial restraints, he's still doing his thing but on a much larger scale now, it was always about getting as many people to see the work as possible and now thats more than ever, they've done well. It's a piece of paper with ink on it and in that sense worth a few quid, yrs of hard graft on the streets and otherwise have made it a brand with worth, also Pows control of release of work creates rarity, no different to diamonds, high end cars, successful musicians etc etc. If you really like the image but can't afford it print it off and stick it on the wall, enjoy it. Very few are now buying just because they like the image, very few could afford to do that, it's a commodity bought with the mindset that it could potentially be worth more in time. Will people be saying in 100 yrs "Banksy, oh he's the guy that did that print..", I would say that's highly likely, he's part of art history now, taught in schools and colleagues, arguably the most talked about artist in the world right now, even if he stopped dead now he's made an unforgettable mark on the art world. Girl with Balloon by Banksy is known by a huge % of people, reproduced and regurgitated relentlessly in every form, calendars, mugs, tattoos, keyring, posters etc, not one of my personal fav images but certainly one that will be remembered in history. agree to disagree  "Very few are now buying just because they like the image, very few could afford to do that, it's a commodity bought with the mindset that it could potentially be worth more in time" as a graft "enthusiast", former writer, and in general an anti-capitalist, I just don't like that this is what has come off a scene that started by a bunch of kids wanting to rebell against that same mindset. And I'm not just singling out Banksy. I'm talking about the current climate in the graff world in general (same thing happened with the Pop Artists and countless other movements before it, and it usually ends up killings the movement itself). Just like with punk rock or hip-hop - once the rebellion becomes the main stream, we're left with something diluted and missing any edges |
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Post by milo99 on Aug 5, 2017 10:45:46 GMT
POW selling prints etc for high value allows B to do things that few artists are capable of with financial restraints, he's still doing his thing but on a much larger scale now, it was always about getting as many people to see the work as possible and now thats more than ever, they've done well. It's a piece of paper with ink on it and in that sense worth a few quid, yrs of hard graft on the streets and otherwise have made it a brand with worth, also Pows control of release of work creates rarity, no different to diamonds, high end cars, successful musicians etc etc. If you really like the image but can't afford it print it off and stick it on the wall, enjoy it. Very few are now buying just because they like the image, very few could afford to do that, it's a commodity bought with the mindset that it could potentially be worth more in time. Will people be saying in 100 yrs "Banksy, oh he's the guy that did that print..", I would say that's highly likely, he's part of art history now, taught in schools and colleagues, arguably the most talked about artist in the world right now, even if he stopped dead now he's made an unforgettable mark on the art world. Girl with Balloon by Banksy is known by a huge % of people, reproduced and regurgitated relentlessly in every form, calendars, mugs, tattoos, keyring, posters etc, not one of my personal fav images but certainly one that will be remembered in history. agree to disagree "Very few are now buying just because they like the image, very few could afford to do that, it's a commodity bought with the mindset that it could potentially be worth more in time" as a graft "enthusiast", former writer, and in general an anti-capitalist, I just don't like that this is what has come off a scene that started by a bunch of kids wanting to rebell against that same mindset. And I'm not just singling out Banksy. I'm talking about the current climate in the graff world in general (same thing happened with the Pop Artists and countless other movements before it, and it usually ends up killings the movement itself). Just like with punk rock or hip-hop - once the rebellion becomes the main stream, we're left with something diluted and missing any edges Yeah they're definitely investments these days, would be tears from people if they bought a £30,000 print and value went down to a few hundred |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 10:55:53 GMT
Its just not that blk and white(excuse the pun), circumstances change, responsibilities change, people have to make a living it's unavoidable, they can work a job they hate all their lives and just do graff or use the thing they love to make a living. Nature of the best, prob a dilemma balance for a lot of artists wanting to keep true to themselves. There's also a limit to how effective the message can be when localised compared to larger audience using other mediums.
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