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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Apr 28, 2015 12:48:35 GMT
In what seems like something that is happening on a weekly basis here, another young, black male died in police custody. Is this something that is happening all over the world, or unique to the US? (I don't condone the rioters, but I understand their anger) here's a picture from yesterday's riots. looks like a Flower Thrower updated for 2015 - notice she's not covering her face and holding a smartphone. plus you can see a bunch of other people taking pictures/videos in the background. Riots for the new generation (that's a topic in itself. - are rioters rioting to get back at the authorities, or to be seen around the world?)  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 13:49:23 GMT
they're rioting because the police are inherently racist and if you've got a black face in the US you will more likely than not be poor and mistreated by the white power brokers
I condone their rioting, their voices aren't heard, the sad truth is though, they destroy the areas they live in and the white power looks on laughing |
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Post by (sic) on Apr 28, 2015 13:51:39 GMT
You know I'm right there with you Fed, these police killings and beatings are ridiculous to say the least. Sadly I think this has been going on a long time and it has all just been brought to light recently. It is a shame really, what has happened protect and serve.
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Post by (sic) on Apr 28, 2015 13:53:52 GMT
they're rioting because the police are inherently racist and if you've got a black face in the US you will more likely than not be poor and mistreated by the white power brokers
I condone their rioting, their voices aren't heard, the sad truth is though, they destroy the areas they live in and the white power looks on laughing Your right badrobot, and it's heartbreaking that they have to destroy the city they love just to get national coverage. I know there are a few bad apples looting and such, but with out this large display of anger I feel no one will notice. |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Apr 28, 2015 14:02:18 GMT
they're rioting because the police are inherently racist and if you've got a black face in the US you will more likely than not be poor and mistreated by the white power brokers
I condone their rioting, their voices aren't heard, the sad truth is though, they destroy the areas they live in and the white power looks on laughing it's not just the police. The whole American system feeds on keeping minorities poor. Poor people are more likely to commit crimes (or at least be prosecuted for crimes), and then have their ability to vote stripped. The best way to keep the status quo is to suppress the vote, so there's no incentive really for policy makers to make any real changes. It's a horrible cycle check out this controversial system in place in Richmond, California. america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/6/6/a-city-that-payscriminalstobehave.htmlGive criminals a bit of money and guidance, and you give them hope, and even a bit of a chance to move out of their socioeconomic class. It doesn't take much to change the system- just time, patience, and a little bit of money. Unfortunately, the US isn't interested really in trying |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Apr 28, 2015 14:39:15 GMT
Racism, poverty and injustice fuels both crime and terrorism. When people have nothing and when they're mistreated, they're more likely to resort to desperate acts. Unfortunately, the wealthy have the money, the laws, the lawyers, the guns, the security services, the military.
When politicians, large corporations, the police and the military lie, cheat, abuse and steal, how can they expect ordinary people to behave any differently? How long do you turn the other cheek? Do as we say, not as we do.
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Post by dibbs45 on Apr 28, 2015 14:52:05 GMT
Police are inherently racist? What a completely over generalised load of bollocks. What facts are these based on? Tabloid fodder or social media? I agree what has gone on needs proper investigation into what happened and it will. So the answer is to loot shops of businesses that have taken years to build, and smash up people's private cars. Are rioters “inherently violent and destructive?" There are other ways to protest.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Apr 28, 2015 15:02:30 GMT
Police are inherently racist? What a completely over generalised load of bollocks. What facts are these based on? Tabloid fodder or social media? I agree what has gone on needs proper investigation into what happened and it will. So the answer is to loot shops of businesses that have taken years to build, and smash up people's private cars. Are rioters “inherently violent and destructive?" There are other ways to protest. I don't think individual cops are inherently racist. Some are, most aren't. no more or less so than in any profession they're just policing in a system that is disadvantageous to minorities (in the US at least - I can't speak of anywhere else) just an example. You've got a white male, and a black male. In separate cases, both of them are stopped on the street and found to have weed on them. A cop might be more likely to arrest the black man, assuming that he can't afford a lawyer, doesn't have a car to get to the courthouse, etc... making it easier to secure a conviction. yes, this is a theoretical scenario off the top of my head and I don't have any facts to back it up, but as a white man living in a predominantly black neighborhood, I can tell you that I have an easier time than many of those around me. |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Apr 28, 2015 16:54:12 GMT
somewhat related to this, is the documentary that premiered on HBO last night, "Tales of the Grim Sleeper". The movie isn't as much a inquiry on the man accused of killing between 20 and 100 women, but more a "how come this wasn't a bigger deal?" story. The movie's biggest question is "it was pretty white girls missing, instead of poor black girls, would this have been a bigger story?"
Definitely worth a watch for anyone who can stomach Nick Broomfield.
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Post by dibbs45 on Apr 28, 2015 17:19:55 GMT
Police are inherently racist? What a completely over generalised load of bollocks. What facts are these based on? Tabloid fodder or social media? I agree what has gone on needs proper investigation into what happened and it will. So the answer is to loot shops of businesses that have taken years to build, and smash up people's private cars. Are rioters “inherently violent and destructive?" There are other ways to protest. I don't think individual cops are inherently racist. Some are, most aren't. no more or less so than in any profession they're just policing in a system that is disadvantageous to minorities (in the US at least - I can't speak of anywhere else) just an example. You've got a white male, and a black male. In separate cases, both of them are stopped on the street and found to have weed on them. A cop might be more likely to arrest the black man, assuming that he can't afford a lawyer, doesn't have a car to get to the courthouse, etc... making it easier to secure a conviction. yes, this is a theoretical scenario off the top of my head and I don't have any facts to back it up, but as a white man living in a predominantly black neighborhood, I can tell you that I have an easier time than many of those around me. You make some interesting points Fed. I cannot speak for the states, but in England if a white male or black male are caught with weed, they are both dealt with the same, regardless of where they live or their profession. If they can't afford legal representation then they get appointed a lawyer free of charge. Its about crime and not social strata or race, but like anyone else in any other profession police are accountable for their behaviour like the rest of us. Where poverty is concerned urban areas in London for instance their is a lot more social integration. Someone with a flat that cost them half million lives two doors away from someone has the same flat that is paid for by the state. This discussion could go on forever. |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Apr 28, 2015 17:34:28 GMT
I don't think individual cops are inherently racist. Some are, most aren't. no more or less so than in any profession they're just policing in a system that is disadvantageous to minorities (in the US at least - I can't speak of anywhere else) just an example. You've got a white male, and a black male. In separate cases, both of them are stopped on the street and found to have weed on them. A cop might be more likely to arrest the black man, assuming that he can't afford a lawyer, doesn't have a car to get to the courthouse, etc... making it easier to secure a conviction. yes, this is a theoretical scenario off the top of my head and I don't have any facts to back it up, but as a white man living in a predominantly black neighborhood, I can tell you that I have an easier time than many of those around me. You make some interesting points Fed. I cannot speak for the states, but in England if a white male or black male are caught with weed, they are both dealt with the same, regardless of where they live or their profession. If they can't afford legal representation then they get appointed a lawyer free of charge. Its about crime and not social strata or race, but like anyone else in any other profession police are accountable for their behaviour like the rest of us. Where poverty is concerned urban areas in London for instance their is a lot more social integration. Someone with a flat that cost them half million lives two doors away from someone has the same flat that is paid for by the state. This discussion could go on forever. here, if you can't afford a lawyer, you get appointed a "Public Defender" and unfortunately, they're overworked and underpaid, and don't really have time to focus on any one case (unfortunately, I know from experience. Surprise - I have a record. I was almost convicted of a felony for a very minor, non-violent offense that would probably be laughed at in more progressive countries. It was not because of my race - it was because I was poor. Sadly though, race and poverty are too often tied together in the US) anyway, you're definitely right - it's a discussion that will never end (nor should it). my only real point is that there's no one group to blame. It's a systemic problem that needs to be rebuilt from the ground up |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Apr 28, 2015 17:44:28 GMT
You make some interesting points Fed. I cannot speak for the states, but in England if a white male or black male are caught with weed, they are both dealt with the same, regardless of where they live or their profession. If they can't afford legal representation then they get appointed a lawyer free of charge. Its about crime and not social strata or race, but like anyone else in any other profession police are accountable for their behaviour like the rest of us. Where poverty is concerned urban areas in London for instance their is a lot more social integration. Someone with a flat that cost them half million lives two doors away from someone has the same flat that is paid for by the state. This discussion could go on forever. here, if you can't afford a lawyer, you get appointed a "Public Defender" and unfortunately, they're overworked and underpaid, and don't really have time to focus on any one case (unfortunately, I know from experience. Surprise - I have a record. I was almost convicted of a felony for a very minor, non-violent offense that would probably be laughed at in more progressive countries. It was not because of my race - it was because I was poor. Sadly though, race and poverty are too often tied together in the US) anyway, you're definitely right - it's a discussion that will never end (nor should it). my only real point is that there's no one group to blame. It's a systemic problem that needs to be rebuilt from the ground up I would settle for it being rebuilt from the top down. The top won't like that though  |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Apr 28, 2015 17:49:53 GMT
here, if you can't afford a lawyer, you get appointed a "Public Defender" and unfortunately, they're overworked and underpaid, and don't really have time to focus on any one case (unfortunately, I know from experience. Surprise - I have a record. I was almost convicted of a felony for a very minor, non-violent offense that would probably be laughed at in more progressive countries. It was not because of my race - it was because I was poor. Sadly though, race and poverty are too often tied together in the US) anyway, you're definitely right - it's a discussion that will never end (nor should it). my only real point is that there's no one group to blame. It's a systemic problem that needs to be rebuilt from the ground up I would settle for it being rebuilt from the top down. The top won't like that though you're right. it should be from the top down. sadly I don't see that ever happening |
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Post by dot on Apr 28, 2015 18:23:01 GMT
it's a mess - from what i've heard and seen - but that's not the whole story i'm sure.
6 people suspended.
so will the investigation be independent ? - that's generally how it would work in the uk.. i think.
if not - it's further from ideal.
"whitewash" ? does that happen a lot over there ? - we get it fairly often.
along with 'long grass' especially in the last 6 months.
also known as Foxtrot Oscar Bingo... sadly.
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Post by IggyWiggy on Apr 28, 2015 18:38:52 GMT
I don't think individual cops are inherently racist. Some are, most aren't. no more or less so than in any profession they're just policing in a system that is disadvantageous to minorities (in the US at least - I can't speak of anywhere else) just an example. You've got a white male, and a black male. In separate cases, both of them are stopped on the street and found to have weed on them. A cop might be more likely to arrest the black man, assuming that he can't afford a lawyer, doesn't have a car to get to the courthouse, etc... making it easier to secure a conviction. yes, this is a theoretical scenario off the top of my head and I don't have any facts to back it up, but as a white man living in a predominantly black neighborhood, I can tell you that I have an easier time than many of those around me. You make some interesting points Fed. I cannot speak for the states, but in England if a white male or black male are caught with weed, they are both dealt with the same, regardless of where they live or their profession. If they can't afford legal representation then they get appointed a lawyer free of charge. Its about crime and not social strata or race, but like anyone else in any other profession police are accountable for their behaviour like the rest of us. Where poverty is concerned urban areas in London for instance their is a lot more social integration. Someone with a flat that cost them half million lives two doors away from someone has the same flat that is paid for by the state. This discussion could go on forever. My own experience suggests that the police are one of the most unaccountable bodies going. The sooner they are all fitted with cameras, that can't be interfered with, the better. |
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Post by jeezuzjonessnr on Apr 28, 2015 21:23:00 GMT
Funny how they all have black hoodies.. Some one must set up a stall at the side of the riot selling them, making a fortune  |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Apr 28, 2015 21:44:47 GMT
Funny how they all have black hoodies.. Some one must set up a stall at the side of the riot selling them, making a fortune  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 21:54:16 GMT
Police are agents in a system that fundamentally is biased to the rich and powerful, who are proportionately one colour, the U.S. Is the leading light for this system. Do the math.
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Post by nimzy on Apr 28, 2015 22:27:47 GMT
I think a lot of it has to do how we approach policing to begin with. I went to school to be a cop, I decided to work for the fire department instead, that being said Las Vegas used to shoot people.. A lot. It's not perfect but a lot has changed in part because they had first a review done outside the department. 2nd they decided to become a part of the community more than outsiders "protecting it" Here's an NPR piece just released Here's an article about COP in Las Vegas. m.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/sierre-oeste-has-seen-less-crime-more-community-year-photosListen America has a violent past, rioting happens as long as social disparity remains, destruction or property, looting, ect. What pisses me off is when I see videos of guys throwing shit at ambulances or cutting fire hoses while firefighters are inside a building fighting it to help save neighborhoods. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 22:42:26 GMT
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Post by Dr. Plip on Apr 28, 2015 22:47:43 GMT
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Post by nimzy on Apr 28, 2015 22:52:16 GMT
I grew up in Wisconsin, there are only a couple cities and nothing like the Deep South or a city like Baltimore when it comes to race and race tensions. When a man's son was shot by the police there wasn't much fan fair but what he did next reshaped how police shootings are investigated, this police policing themselves is ridiculous. You can say it's an education thing or that the family didn't need the money and could afford to do something like this, but at the same time it shows what can be done to actually create change as simply opposed to fucking shit up for a couple days in the name of injustice www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html#.VUAN3dm9Kc1 |
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 29, 2015 13:51:54 GMT
One man danced his way through the Baltimore protests on Tuesday – to the tune of Michael Jackson’s ‘Beat It’.
The unidentified man was seen spinning and thrusting to the beat, in what appeared to be an attempt to echo the singer in the 1982 music video.
RIP Freddy Grey
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Post by dot on May 1, 2015 18:36:28 GMT
looks like we're getting a bit of sense out of the US.
one good day.. for the us - and to them I'll raise a glass - perhaps the 6 will go away for a long time.
(if found guilty their pensions will go along with their freedom imo - who knows what will happen though).
as for others victims over the months / years - well ... those who were involved - will have a bit of heat under their collar for the foreseeable.
thoughts ?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 18:43:43 GMT
looks like we're getting a bit of sense out of the US. one good day.. for the us - and to them I'll raise a glass - perhaps the 6 will go away for a long time. (if found guilty their pensions will go along with their freedom imo - who knows what will happen though). as for others victims over the months / years - well ... those who were involved - will have a bit of heat under their collar for the foreseeable. thoughts ? Hope the charges stick. I was impressed how they highlighted that the initial arrest was itself illegal. |
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