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Post by pingoo on Oct 11, 2018 8:22:35 GMT
I just think it's a lot easier to make a reliable device that rolls one pic out of sight while rolling the shredded version out underneath The chances of a real shredder failing or not quite working properly or jamming or not having the power to do the job properly would surely be too big a risk when planning such a huge stunt Imagine if one of the rolls broke, only the shredded version or the clean version rolls.. quite a risk too. I don't know but 1 device in a frame take some space, 2 devices with 2 canvas seems demesured to fit a frame.
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Post by IggyWiggy on Oct 12, 2018 13:57:42 GMT
'Meanwhile at the same Sotheby’s sale, something else happened. The wonderful British painter Jenny Saville achieved a world-record price for a living female artist with her superb self-portrait “Propped”, selling at £9.5m. No tricks, no jokes, just sublimely good work. Yet the whole world is talking about a man-prank. Perhaps it is indeed true, as others have said, that we get the art market we deserve.'
- Jan Dalley
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Post by hankpank on Oct 15, 2018 12:38:57 GMT
How many of you believe the GWRB is safe and sound inside the frame? I think there were two versions, one visible and one invisible pre-shredded. When the "shredding" started the visible one was rolled up at the bottom of the frame and the shredded one was rolled out. When you look at the films from the side it looks like there's a big distance where it disappears and where it comes out at the bottom. The shredded is a few centimeters behind. And I don't understand how those scalpels in Banksys film could have shredded anything mounted sideways as they were. So my guess it was two for the price of one and more to be viewed as a sculpture than a painting. After seeing pictures of the shredded version it seems that it *was* shredded after all. The splatter etc matches the original painting. Must have been a really good shredder device to trash a canvas. And I was so sure...
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Post by IggyWiggy on Oct 18, 2018 5:36:04 GMT
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Post by riq on Oct 18, 2018 18:29:40 GMT
Convinced now!
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Post by chainsaw on Oct 18, 2018 21:00:38 GMT
rehearsals?
how many real images did he destroy?
lol
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Oct 18, 2018 22:58:06 GMT
rehearsals? how many real images did he destroy? lol here's what i dont really get... there are sooooooo many versions of GWB out there - so many sizes and variations.. some of them editions themselves. if you were spending a million dollars, wouldn't you want something unique? (though i guess this one is unique now )
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Oct 18, 2018 23:11:02 GMT
seems to have the most info: news.artnet.com/opinion/kenny-schachter-on-banksy-at-sothebys-stunt-1372921"someone from Banksy’s publicity team contacted Sotheby’s to sell the painting Girl With a Balloon, but that the consignment came with stipulations, more or less as follows: a. the painting had to be hung in the salesroom during the sale; b. it needed to be sold in the latter half of the proceedings; and, c. it wasn’t to be examined out of the frame. As it’s not the norm to hang a relatively inconsequentially valued painting in the room (the pre-sale estimate was £200,000 to £300,000) during an evening auction, the house replied no. The consignor countered by offering to pay a seller’s fee of around 5 percent. (That this person wasn’t automatically charged to place the work in the auction indicates that this was not a new relationship, and I’m told this PR liaison acts as a regular, go-to conduit for Banksy to feed art into the auction stream). The response from Sotheby’s came back again in the negative, at which point the consignor raised the ante to around 10 percent, and Sotheby’s acceded—the deal was done. The auction house certainly suspected something was afoot, by the very nature of the dialogue leading up to the sale, but I can assure you that is all they knew." Banksy Wasn’t Critiquing Capitalism, He Was Taking Part In It www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/banksy-sothebys-shred-art-capitalism_us_5bbb874be4b0876edaa07478I mean - I'm all for artists making a good living... its just the hypocrisy that bums me out
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Post by IggyWiggy on Oct 19, 2018 7:52:07 GMT
I mean - I'm all for artists making a good living... its just the hypocrisy that bums me out Interesting isn't it. It's a fine, and tricky, line to walk I'd imagine. To support valuable and life-changing projects like the Walled Off Hotel, the money has to come from somewhere.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Oct 23, 2018 17:31:17 GMT
Hmmm. I think Banksy is one of the good ones and to accuse him of hippocracy is a bit strong. Jamie Reid saying he would respect him if he’d given it all to the homeless. How does he know he hasn’t?
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Post by dodcoquelicot on Oct 23, 2018 21:46:27 GMT
Hmmm. I think Banksy is one of the good ones and to accuse him of hippocracy is a bit strong. Jamie Reid saying he would respect him if he’d given it all to the homeless. How does he know he hasn’t? That’s right . As I know - someone told me - he passes mostly of his time to help People, charity, refugees etc ... Well, he still have I guess a of money to make spectacles mostly with free entrance as Dismaland, the Walled off hotel etc... But, I think that his heart is pure, and his aim since the beginning is to help, give or share. I think, I don’t know him closely.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Oct 24, 2018 0:45:31 GMT
Hmmm. I think Banksy is one of the good ones and to accuse him of hippocracy is a bit strong. Jamie Reid saying he would respect him if he’d given it all to the homeless. How does he know he hasn’t? That’s right . As I know - someone told me - he passes mostly of his time to help People, charity, refugees etc ... Well, he still have I guess a of money to make spectacles mostly with free entrance as Dismaland, the Walled off hotel etc... But, I think that his heart is pure, and his aim since the beginning is to help, give or share. I think, I don’t know him closely. hi roy.... yes i get that and thats great and it's also great he can fund other projects. i only wish he wasn't leaning in to the money/art narrative again. there's not much he can do at this point in his career to untangle his work from the auction world... but i wish he would at least not continue to draw attention to it without offering up more meaningful commentary at least this doesn't mean that I dont still love and admire all he's done. i just didn't like this so much
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Post by clashcityrockers on Oct 24, 2018 9:16:36 GMT
On the off chance does anyone have a hi-res image of Banksy Les-Misrables ? Please
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Oct 24, 2018 13:12:38 GMT
On the off chance does anyone have a hi-res image of Banksy Les-Misrables ? Please higher than the photos on the website?
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Post by clashcityrockers on Oct 24, 2018 13:47:18 GMT
On the off chance does anyone have a hi-res image of Banksy Les-Misrables ? Please higher than the photos on the website? Cheers is that on Banksy site? I just want to print one for a gift for someone
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Oct 24, 2018 16:19:32 GMT
higher than the photos on the website? Cheers is that on Banksy site? I just want to print one for a gift for someone yeah on the Outdoor section
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Post by clashcityrockers on Oct 24, 2018 17:26:45 GMT
Cheers is that on Banksy site? I just want to print one for a gift for someone yeah on the Outdoor section Cheers mate I reckon they are big enough to get a small print from
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Post by mikeydread on Oct 24, 2018 18:56:25 GMT
On the off chance does anyone have a hi-res image of Banksy Les-Misrables ? Please Is this sorted mr?
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Post by clashcityrockers on Oct 24, 2018 20:16:26 GMT
Do you have one it would be good Mikey I just need a image I can print off for a gift
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Post by dodcoquelicot on Oct 24, 2018 21:53:32 GMT
That’s right . As I know - someone told me - he passes mostly of his time to help People, charity, refugees etc ... Well, he still have I guess a of money to make spectacles mostly with free entrance as Dismaland, the Walled off hotel etc... But, I think that his heart is pure, and his aim since the beginning is to help, give or share. I think, I don’t know him closely. hi roy.... yes i get that and thats great and it's also great he can fund other projects. i only wish he wasn't leaning in to the money/art narrative again. there's not much he can do at this point in his career to untangle his work from the auction world... but i wish he would at least not continue to draw attention to it without offering up more meaningful commentary at least this doesn't mean that I dont still love and admire all he's done. i just didn't like this so much I am agree with you too. This bizness affair ( it is not but could not find the term ) , well this prank, kind of « Playing with art and money, mocking all theses rich collectors etc .. « is not his best from far. It seems a bit old school and hyped too at the same time , in fact, we, the people, are not very well concerned by that , apart gossips and readers of the Daily or the Sunnsaying : « Oh my god he destroyed a billion kkkkk « The don’t care about the act himself ( from far too of the Dadaists movement ) , about the art, just billion of kkkkk ! Who is concerned apart scandal press ? Not me. But I still believe that he helps a lot of people, and maybe we could consider this as a buzz mistake, a mistake . The real art event of this period ( since mai 68 ) is without contest to have been exposed at the Brit. Museum. A real good one !
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Post by mikeydread on Oct 25, 2018 8:52:42 GMT
Do you have one it would be good Mikey I just need a image I can print off for a gift I should have some somewhere. If you can tell me the date it appeared I can search the filing system.
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Post by clashcityrockers on Oct 25, 2018 9:04:39 GMT
Do you have one it would be good Mikey I just need a image I can print off for a gift I should have some somewhere. If you can tell me the date it appeared I can search the filing system. Cheers mate January 2016
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