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Post by geswrk on May 4, 2015 9:10:25 GMT
We all know it's a great gesture when someone sells their artwork at cost. But wouldn't most of us like to feel like the artwork we own should increase in value over time not least if it has been well looked after. This increase in worth is hopefully recognised when it comes to the sale. Of course sometimes it's not, and after the difficulty (or not) of purchase and safe storage and care we will only see our money back or often even a decrease. This is life, but it doesn't make it a crime to allow for some gain. By almost making it a rule to sell your precious artwork at cost, and being scornful of those that don't are we not in danger of putting off people coming with potentially interesting sales and also discouraging galleries from posting up work for sale who need to profit in order to continue trading?
This is obviously an area of contention, but personally I feel that a sale is simply an offer, and no one is forced to purchase, and if they're not happy with the price they can try to barter or just leave it. Feel free to relocate this thread if it's not in the right place.
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Post by Aza on May 4, 2015 9:55:44 GMT
I do agree, but I personally feel a sale of a piece within 6 months of release should be at cost.
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Post by dashboll on May 4, 2015 10:07:04 GMT
The only hard set rule is that you have to contribute to the forum by making a min of 25 posts which you've already done  You can sell at what you want to, the only thing we'd like to avoid is flipping like Aza mentioned above and also links off to eBay. Get listing mate! Not sure about the gallery bit tho aside from new releases, this forum isn't really about making businesses profits on secondary market pieces |
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Post by EKAP on May 4, 2015 10:35:45 GMT
For me eBay and the other forum are for more commercial deals, I'm going to try and limit my deals on here to at or around cost and prob to people actively contributing. I really don't want this place to become like next door where it's sell, sell, sell, price check, bitch, moan, ban sell, price check, little bit about art, sell, price check, ban, bitch, sell, moan etc
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Post by dazarino on May 4, 2015 10:39:05 GMT
Quite right,there isn't any rule to suggest you should sell at cost,all members want on here is people who contribute with art related posts and to sell at a reasonable cost.we are a small community after all.
Also galleries are very much welcome to promote affiliate artists print releases and to showcase their artists.
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Post by geswrk on May 4, 2015 11:04:19 GMT
I didn't begin this thread because I have something I wish to list, but because of the emphasis of selling at cost on the subtitle of the art for sale thread, as this could affect buyers/viewers as well as the sellers. I'm enjoying being able to discuss art related matters more freely on here, just I'm not sure if trading ought to be discouraged. I thought I would raise the point, and I'm not trying to push for a particular agenda.
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Post by barnsy on May 4, 2015 11:40:02 GMT
So if you bought a piece say for £200.
Two months later you saw a piece you liked better and needed funds so decided to sell.
The original piece now has a market value of £600 exactly what new piece would cost.
Would you sell for £200 (original cost) and make up £400 difference or sell for £600 and not be out of pocket?
Just posing a hypothetical question on this point.
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Post by Aza on May 4, 2015 12:01:30 GMT
I'm on other forums where selling at cost is the only option or you get banned. Not for art stuff mind you, but it is stuff which becomes sought after and prices go up quickly and with flipper problems.
What happens is the community becomes very tight and you end up just selling amongst each other.
In your example above yes I would sell at cost, and then should be able to gain from the same treatment myself later.
Not saying that would work, but as an ideal I do like it.
Which is why I mention a certain period, it couldn't work indefinitely.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on May 4, 2015 12:02:04 GMT
there are no rules set in stone. use your best judgement, though sales should be secondary to the other great content on here, not the other way around
this place can only be as good as it's members, so try your best to keep this place a community we can all be proud of
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Post by notUmBongo on May 4, 2015 12:09:03 GMT
So if you bought a piece say for £200. Two months later you saw a piece you liked better and needed funds so decided to sell. The original piece now has a market value of £600 exactly what new piece would cost. Would you sell for £200 (original cost) and make up £400 difference or sell for £600 and not be out of pocket? Just posing a hypothetical question on this point. Do what you want to do, it's your property... I don't think people here are discouraging sales, just trying to discourage (intentional or unintentional) flipping, which is no bad thing as it is one of the main causes of bitching "over the road". Personally, I'm loving the vibe here and hope we progress in the same positive direction... Your best bet in the above scenario would be to sell through eBay, EB or "over the road" - there are plenty of alternatives... UmBongo |
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Post by yoyosh on May 4, 2015 13:09:10 GMT
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Post by barnsy on May 4, 2015 13:52:36 GMT
I wasn't talking about Flippers (someone who buys with intention only to sell), I think we all have the same opinion on those.
I was more referring to buying and having a need/want to sell after a short period and the moral dilemma this might pose.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 14:03:46 GMT
I wasn't talking about Flippers (someone who buys with intention only to sell), I think we all have the same opinion on those. I was more referring to buying and having a need/want to sell after a short period and the moral dilemma this might pose. Just stick it on Ebay then. |
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Post by tartarus on May 4, 2015 14:04:42 GMT
Id LOVE to see that made a solid rule. Would see a load of bullshit off this forum and would be something that would probably make the place stand head and shoulders above that other place. The quick flippers have ebay and that other place. A somewhat cleaner place to be would be great.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on May 4, 2015 14:23:10 GMT
Id LOVE to see that made a solid rule. Would see a load of bullshit off this forum and would be something that would probably make the place stand head and shoulders above that other place. The quick flippers have ebay and that other place. A somewhat cleaner place to be would be great. I'm all for it let's leave the topic be for now so we can all focus on the Nepal auction |
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Post by dazarino on May 4, 2015 15:08:35 GMT
To be honest,the for sale thread on the other forum gets out of hand sometimes. I don't think any rules need to be introduced. The 25 post count is enough.It has really got members posting, and may keep away certain members who only come on to sell.
Let's face facts if banksy has another print lottery and it's for £450,no one will expect lucky winners to sell at cost?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 15:34:38 GMT
Maybe give a 'net of fees' offer to potential buyers. I can't stand it when people quote ebay prices as the yardstick and then expect to make a sale 'commission free' for the same price. At the very lease split those, so both buyer and seller are advantaged?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 15:48:32 GMT
I'd be happier with a no insta-flipping rule. Perhaps no sales on a print on a given time span of say 3 or even 6 months from the date of release. The issue is that people instantly sell to people that missed out and rub their noses in it. We've already had a few for sale threads on here of recent(ish) prints from the likes of Invader and Dran, which have prices way over cost and no one has commented negatively as they were purchased a few months ago rather than a few days ago.
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Post by hubblebubble on May 4, 2015 16:12:16 GMT
25 posts. Hell... Better get to it
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Post by tartarus on May 4, 2015 16:40:36 GMT
Id LOVE to see that made a solid rule. Would see a load of bullshit off this forum and would be something that would probably make the place stand head and shoulders above that other place. The quick flippers have ebay and that other place. A somewhat cleaner place to be would be great. I'm all for it let's leave the topic be for now so we can all focus on the Nepal auction Good point well made. The auction is a great thing. Right direction n all that. |
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Post by dranfan14 on May 5, 2015 11:00:08 GMT
How do I get my stars back?? |
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Post by alittle on May 5, 2015 11:04:37 GMT
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Post by ZeBigBoss on May 5, 2015 11:51:17 GMT
I think selling at cost or with small gain should be favored against the "get the max out of it" mentality (unless you are a greedy). Art is to be enjoyed and for everybody, not for an elite feeded by flippers and speculators. Sure the seller can do whatever he wants; so is the buyer... The artist should act and provide large edition and/or flood the market I like the idea of having a "sale at cost" only rule |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 19:32:13 GMT
I think as mentioned the base guideline is fine. The 25 posts stops the influx of instant flippers.
But think even without any rules stop it. If it's flipped or daft......do we need rules .......or .... Just don't fuckin buy it!!!
They will soon go elsewhere when they don't get any action. People will soon learn its a crap place to flip a print so won't bother.
I do like members trading and galleries announcing though as adds to the interest and knowledge I love seeing the pics of new shows etc. so I think the less rules the better but likewise we can manage it ourselves by not supporting any bad sale threads and buying it.
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Post by dashboll on May 6, 2015 6:03:41 GMT
How do I get my stars back?? see you've got your stars. Just checking you've received your free banksy print, bottle of whisky and dinner for two voucher at the harvester on the a38? |
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