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Post by sturban on Dec 11, 2015 19:39:53 GMT
I don't know if these latest works will attract tourist, but just in case anyone's planning to pop over with their camera, perhaps take some spare blankets, basic first-aid stuff or toys? Camera✓ Blankets✓ First aid✓ Toys✓ Stonecutter✓ Wooden crates✓  |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Dec 11, 2015 19:58:26 GMT
Nice to see a mixture of work from Banksy and the team. The art and the aid.
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Post by ouroboros on Dec 11, 2015 20:10:56 GMT
if you do go, then liase with someone like migrant solidarity in calais to see what they need and arrange a drop at the distribution centre-better to take less stuff but is needed than lots of stuff that will go to waste. There are other ways of assisting without going along. The various camps now number up to 10K people roughly- be very discreet if you are going to the camps- they are not a photo opportunity
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Post by Aza on Dec 11, 2015 20:11:40 GMT
Strangely enough I am going to Bruges for the weekend.
Getting the ferry across from Dover!
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Post by Aza on Dec 11, 2015 20:18:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 21:25:07 GMT
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Post by Aza on Dec 11, 2015 21:26:25 GMT
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Post by riq on Dec 11, 2015 22:17:01 GMT
Love it!
The boat picture is excellent! Steve Jobs maybe would have looked better without the colour...but the message is killer and I love it nevertheless.
The work beside the spray can is even better in my opinion! Building a playground and houses in a refugee camp. So simple it sounds, in my opinion the best artistic move in 2015...
Any thoughts about if this will have any influence on the refugee discussion in the UK?
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Dec 11, 2015 22:33:43 GMT
Any thoughts about if this will have any influence on the refugee discussion in the UK? sadly don't think it will... the final slide's sarcastic "they all lived happily ever after" seems to imply Banksy doesn't either (at least that's how I read it) |
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Post by riq on Dec 11, 2015 23:07:47 GMT
Any thoughts about if this will have any influence on the refugee discussion in the UK? sadly don't think it will... the final slide's sarcastic "they all lived happily ever after" seems to imply Banksy doesn't either (at least that's how I read it) Think you are right about the final quote. I didn't knew the translation and had to look it up, but now I think I understand. I'm always curious how popular Banksy really is in the UK and how much attention his works really get. As a member of uaa and this place for me it always looks like he is something like a superstar on the island. But possibly that is just wrong  |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Dec 12, 2015 1:11:27 GMT
sadly don't think it will... the final slide's sarcastic "they all lived happily ever after" seems to imply Banksy doesn't either (at least that's how I read it) Think you are right about the final quote. I didn't knew the translation and had to look it up, but now I think I understand. I'm always curious how popular Banksy really is in the UK and how much attention his works really get. As a member of uaa and this place for me it always looks like he is something like a superstar on the island. But possibly that is just wrong can't speak to his popularity in the UK, but in the US, I don't think he's gotten any real coverage since Dismaland. and while I love that he's shining a light on the continuing refugee crisis, I think a lot of it is falling on deaf ears. it would take a major shift for the mainstream media to continuously cover important stories that aren't "sexy" on the plus side, he's trying to help the day to day lives of people in the camp, and to make sure that just because it's not in the headlines as much as it's been, that we aren't forgetting about them or why they're there |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:56:07 GMT
So "Not all in the same boat" / "Le readeau de la Meduse piece" was tagged already (right picture).   Is it wrong for me to kinda like this take on the Banksy? Banksy wanting to make the point across that the refugees are dying at sea wishing they will be rescued by the (rich) western people. And the artist who defaced it changing the story to; 'Refugees screeming for money'. It does show both sides of the 'refugee discussion'. My personal stand is the Banksy's message (if that is his message in the first place). But the defaced image and the original piece show two creative artists. Yes i like it.? #Period #questionmark |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:57:47 GMT
And the piece on the seaside is covered already... Move along folks nothing to see here... I have been informed that it is covered by the council to put up some plexi next week... Yes, next week.... Lazy french! s3.postimg.org/9mdby9dmr/foto_18.jpg |
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Post by notmattl on Dec 12, 2015 18:41:59 GMT
So "Not all in the same boat" / "Le readeau de la Meduse piece" was tagged already (right picture). Is it wrong for me to kinda like this take on the Banksy? Banksy wanting to make the point across that the refugees are dying at sea wishing they will be rescued by the (rich) western people. And the artist who defaced it changing the story to; 'Refugees screeming for money'. It does show both sides of the 'refugee discussion'. My personal stand is the Banksy's message (if that is his message in the first place). But the defaced image and the original piece show two creative artists. Yes i like it.? #Period #questionmark I like it. Not necessarily the message, but the fact that this is street art, anyone can own it and make it theirs, transform it etc... Better using the image to provide an alternative point of view, than tagging " I woz 'ere" next to it |
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Post by dodcoquelicot on Dec 12, 2015 19:37:38 GMT
So "Not all in the same boat" / "Le readeau de la Meduse piece" was tagged already (right picture). Is it wrong for me to kinda like this take on the Banksy? Banksy wanting to make the point across that the refugees are dying at sea wishing they will be rescued by the (rich) western people. And the artist who defaced it changing the story to; 'Refugees screeming for money'. It does show both sides of the 'refugee discussion'. My personal stand is the Banksy's message (if that is his message in the first place). But the defaced image and the original piece show two creative artists. Yes i like it.? #Period #questionmark I like it. Not necessarily the message, but the fact that this is street art, anyone can own it and make it theirs, transform it etc... Better using the image to provide an alternative point of view, than tagging " I woz 'ere" next to it I agree, I woz here, but Marine - it is one " marine " chased me Sorry for the comparison, anyway it was s hard day for me today .. I even have tweeted Bouchart lol ! She promised me and others to keep them ok : une "'Première " en France, meme Invader ou Paris boumboum n a pas du droit à ces honneurs ! L'art est libre, laissez-le respirer ! |
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Post by dodcoquelicot on Dec 12, 2015 19:44:53 GMT
And the piece on the seaside is covered already... Move along folks nothing to see here... I have been informed that it is covered by the council to put up some plexi next week... Yes, next week.... Lazy french! s3.postimg.org/9mdby9dmr/foto_18.jpg[brfrom Reuthers : LILLE, France (Reuters) - British graffiti artist Banksy's mural of late Apple founder Steve Jobs as a refugee on a wall in the Calais migrant camp and two other Banksy works in other parts of the city will be protected, local authorities said on Saturday. The Banksy mural depicts a life-size Jobs carrying a shoulder bag and an early-model Apple computer on a wall at the entrance of the Calais camp, surrounded by immigrants' tents. The mural pictures are posted on Banksy's website. Authorities in Calais, northern France, said they plan to shield the murals with glass or transparent plastic panels. "We found out about the presence of this artwork on Friday and have decided to protect it, so it is not damaged," a Calais city spokeswoman said. Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart told local newspaper Nord Littoral that the artwork is an opportunity for Calais. "It is very good, and it has a message," she said. Banksy, whose identity has never been confirmed, said in a rare statement to British media that Apple only exists because U.S. authorities allowed in a young man from Homs, Syria. |
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Post by dodcoquelicot on Dec 12, 2015 20:35:42 GMT
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Dec 13, 2015 10:22:19 GMT
And the piece on the seaside is covered already... Move along folks nothing to see here... I have been informed that it is covered by the council to put up some plexi next week... Yes, next week.... Lazy french! s3.postimg.org/9mdby9dmr/foto_18.jpg[brfrom Reuthers : LILLE, France (Reuters) - British graffiti artist Banksy's mural of late Apple founder Steve Jobs as a refugee on a wall in the Calais migrant camp and two other Banksy works in other parts of the city will be protected, local authorities said on Saturday. The Banksy mural depicts a life-size Jobs carrying a shoulder bag and an early-model Apple computer on a wall at the entrance of the Calais camp, surrounded by immigrants' tents. The mural pictures are posted on Banksy's website. Authorities in Calais, northern France, said they plan to shield the murals with glass or transparent plastic panels. "We found out about the presence of this artwork on Friday and have decided to protect it, so it is not damaged," a Calais city spokeswoman said. Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart told local newspaper Nord Littoral that the artwork is an opportunity for Calais. "It is very good, and it has a message," she said. Banksy, whose identity has never been confirmed, said in a rare statement to British media that Apple only exists because U.S. authorities allowed in a young man from Homs, Syria. They're getting a little free and easy with the plywood and Plexiglas, eh? I wonder what else they could do with those products? Answers on a postcard... |
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Post by notmattl on Dec 13, 2015 11:22:22 GMT
They're getting a little free and easy with the plywood and Plexiglas, eh? I wonder what else they could do with those products? Answers on a postcard… It's funny how being an automatic contrarian is easier than trying to come up with a balanced view of things The council in Calais have been trying to get attention and help for years. Much before the influx of Syrian refugees, much before the brits started being mildly concerned about the shuttle running late, and much before Banksy sent them plywood and attention. Year after year, they have been asking the national government to help them, to allocate funds, to increase security for the inhabitants of calais, to help work through the issues. But until this became front page news, the various governments chose to silence it and ignore it. The camps are not new, and the council of Calais has been dealing with them the best they could with no support. THe worst thing is, now that it is news and score points for election, the council of Calais is actually getting open letters from the government threatening them if they do not open more points of drinking water and do something about the situation. So walk a mile in their shoes for a few days, spend a few years in Calais trying to figure out how to solve this mess, and the criticize them for protecting the tiny bit of free PR light someone is shining on their problem... |
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Post by dodcoquelicot on Dec 13, 2015 11:55:39 GMT
Mattl, I 101 % agree ...
When I was in The Eurostar, there wears a lot of British people, families, looking at the window near Calais and trying to see ax refugee or refugees tents, a bit curious, a bit anxious, if they were looking for a zoo.
The problem is real for people from Calais, who are lovely and live a not easy situation, as the council : because of the Jungle, Marine Le Pen could win this town and state today ! And it was not easy for N.Bouchart ( fingers crossed , results are tonite ) to keep all the Nord Pas-de-Calais, safe from the fascists and FN , ready to bring refuggee back to the borders - Le Pen promised this 5 days ago !! To fight until she wins ! ).
I asked that on another forum or here I don't know, whitout hypocrisy , how many of you would really accept refugees in Uk ? Not a lot I guess. Banksy made his stencils there, and try to help refugees, but, the real fight is in UK I guess.
Why not so many artists or steet-artists did not make more, going down the streets, in a
manifestation ? I know personnaly two street-artists fighting for refugees against the government to let people come in in UK ( the real problem is here) ,Paul Don Smith and Choci Roc for team Robbo.
Ask refugees, they don't want France, nor Germany, but UK, since the beginning.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Dec 13, 2015 16:11:12 GMT
They're getting a little free and easy with the plywood and Plexiglas, eh? I wonder what else they could do with those products? Answers on a postcard… It's funny how being an automatic contrarian is easier than trying to come up with a balanced view of things The council in Calais have been trying to get attention and help for years. Much before the influx of Syrian refugees, much before the brits started being mildly concerned about the shuttle running late, and much before Banksy sent them plywood and attention. Year after year, they have been asking the national government to help them, to allocate funds, to increase security for the inhabitants of calais, to help work through the issues. But until this became front page news, the various governments chose to silence it and ignore it. The camps are not new, and the council of Calais has been dealing with them the best they could with no support. THe worst thing is, now that it is news and score points for election, the council of Calais is actually getting open letters from the government threatening them if they do not open more points of drinking water and do something about the situation. So walk a mile in their shoes for a few days, spend a few years in Calais trying to figure out how to solve this mess, and the criticize them for protecting the tiny bit of free PR light someone is shining on their problem... Automatic contrarian? No I'm not. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 3:09:51 GMT
The reason Jungle Calais exists is because the people there have not been processed as refugees or not as I understand it. U.K. Won't accept refugees that are technically coming from France when they should have been processed and sorted out in France eg point of landing. As they say they want to go to England it relieves the burden onFrance not to process and settle and also means the UK does not legally have to accept them. So regardless of whether they are Reffugees or economic migrants these poor people have been left in limbo and looks like they will remain that way as they are just not being processed.
If France puts any real financial support or conceptual support into them it implies they should process which they desperately do not want to do so they don't. Likewise the UK will not take or support in anyway other than security as if they take one they should process and take them and process. Likewise the refuges/migrants do not want to be processed in France as if u fail you are deported where as in the UK you can appeal etc while remaining in country etc.
So these people really are in an unending limbo.
Additionally Calais is not to do just with finance they believe if they improve the camp it will attract more.
So do not see anything changing there other than security for a long while as its a problem that no one wants to solve really. So these poor people there will only be helped by donations and awareness so what Banksy and anything else that is being done does help as its pretty much the only help they are getting .
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Post by dashboll on Dec 14, 2015 6:21:49 GMT
U.K. Won't accept refugees that are technically coming from France when they should have been processed and sorted out in France eg point of landing. Nope, it's because we're happy to bomb countries but do fuck all about the consequences and human suffering #votecameron |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 7:30:49 GMT
U.K. Won't accept refugees that are technically coming from France when they should have been processed and sorted out in France eg point of landing. Nope, it's because we're happy to bomb countries but do fuck all about the consequences and human suffering #votecameron Was not saying what I think just saying what part of the problem is that these people are in Limbo. They come from all over not particularly Syriaand not sure UK bombing has much to do with this problem. Eg about a million Syrian migrants to Europe before bombing started. The civil war there is not of the UK's making. Iraq did not start Syria's problems Similarly the EU is taking action against the entry nations for the Syrians for not processing at point of entry but allows France to do the same. likewise for the reasons made previously the UK will not process them either. This has been going on since the mid early nineties. |
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Dec 14, 2015 8:08:19 GMT
Nope, it's because we're happy to bomb countries but do fuck all about the consequences and human suffering #votecameron Was not saying what I think just saying what part of the problem is that these people are in Limbo. They come from all over not particularly Syriaand not sure UK bombing has much to do with this problem. Eg about a million Syrian migrants to Europe before bombing started. The civil war there is not of the UK's making. Iraq did not start Syria's problems Similarly the EU is taking action against the entry nations for the Syrians for not processing at point of entry but allows France to do the same. likewise for the reasons made previously the UK will not process them either. This has been going on since the mid early nineties. Well, that's cleared that up, then. Everyone - as you were... |
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