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Post by Dr. Plip on Feb 28, 2016 11:27:40 GMT
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Post by mikeydread on Feb 28, 2016 11:59:46 GMT
Ya beat me to posting that one @dr.Plip
Money make people funny..
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Post by Dr. Plip on Feb 28, 2016 14:13:41 GMT
Ya beat me to posting that one @dr.Plip Money make people funny.. It's a good concept and I'd like to see something similar in all communities.
I love this quote from Stik;
“St Mungo’s helped me turn my life around and gave me a stable base and a warm place, and a lot of help,” he added.
“They understood street art was an important part of my recovery and didn’t ask too many questions when I came back at night covered head to toe in paint.”
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Feb 28, 2016 14:42:39 GMT
love this. wish more artists would have the initiative to use their popularity to make a real difference
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Post by ouroboros on Feb 28, 2016 22:59:10 GMT
good man.
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Post by mibbsy on Feb 29, 2016 11:29:18 GMT
How many are thinking its a good initiative and how many are wondering how they will get their hands on some.
This isn't helping the problem as guys like you lot that treat art as a commodity will be giving them the means to fuel their addictions. You might as we'll be drug dealers as those that go after these vouchers are preying on the vulnerable and needy
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Post by sturban on Feb 29, 2016 12:09:52 GMT
How many are thinking its a good initiative and how many are wondering how they will get their hands on some. This isn't helping the problem as guys like you lot that treat art as a commodity will be giving them the means to fuel their addictions. You might as we'll be drug dealers as those that go after these vouchers are preying on the vulnerable and needy I'm not sure anyone here would go that out of there way to get some. Very unlikely these will be the new Di tenners in terms of value as art. It sounds like a fantastic idea and another thumbs up to stik for helping those, that many don't. |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Feb 29, 2016 12:43:53 GMT
How many are thinking its a good initiative and how many are wondering how they will get their hands on some. This isn't helping the problem as guys like you lot that treat art as a commodity will be giving them the means to fuel their addictions. You might as we'll be drug dealers as those that go after these vouchers are preying on the vulnerable and needy pretty sure anyone on this forum has better morals than that |
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Post by mibbsy on Feb 29, 2016 13:45:44 GMT
Why do you say 'this' forum - I've seen the other forum too and it's exactly the same. The people posting are the same and they even make exactly the same posts (which leaves me puzzled as to why) so what defines 'this' forum from the other.
I joined based on your Instagram feed but the forum is very different. Looks like you lot collect for investment whereas most of the IG feed is for London Street Art which I personally enjoy
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Post by Dr. Plip on Feb 29, 2016 13:46:17 GMT
Gosh, this is an old problem isn't it. People with money have always been able to acquire what they want from people that have little or no money. Which I think in many cases can be an absolute travesty, but in other cases, I love seeing money being diverted away from people that have a lot of it.
We may all have different opinions on the matter, but I'm not going to tell someone that they can't sell their voucher for a movie, to someone for a tenner or something. It's down to the individual. Not everyone will spend their money on drink or drugs, and it's not fair for us to assume that. And sometimes, you just really want money.
For what it's worth, I don't think the art dealers will be rushing out to acquire these. They're not something that should really be traded as a luxury item. Or proudly framed and hung in the hallway.
I think this is a good scheme and if it helps in some small way to build people's confidence and give them a bit of pleasure or joy back in their lives, then that's brilliant.
We're all only a few unpaid bills or a period of poor mental health away from being homeless.
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Post by Dr. Plip on Feb 29, 2016 13:49:13 GMT
Why do you say 'this' forum - I've seen the other forum too and it's exactly the same. The people posting are the same and they even make exactly the same posts (which leaves me puzzled as to why) so what defines 'this' forum from the other. I joined based on your Instagram feed but the forum is very different. Looks like you lot collect for investment whereas most of the IG feed is for London Street Art which I personally enjoy On this forum you can swear. |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Feb 29, 2016 13:50:52 GMT
love this. wish more artists would have the initiative to use their popularity to make a real difference I've said it before and I'll say it again, I fucking love Stik. |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Feb 29, 2016 14:14:21 GMT
Why do you say 'this' forum - I've seen the other forum too and it's exactly the same. The people posting are the same and they even make exactly the same posts (which leaves me puzzled as to why) so what defines 'this' forum from the other. I joined based on your Instagram feed but the forum is very different. Looks like you lot collect for investment whereas most of the IG feed is for London Street Art which I personally enjoy I said "this forum" because you are referring to people on this forum. it wasn't meant as a dig to UAA or any other forums. I don't read other forums so I can't speak for them as for investment - go back and read about the tens of thousands of dollars we raised for Syria, for Nepal, the Q&A's we've done with artists, the contests we do to support artists, the help artists give each other on here, all the pictures and history of stree art shared. yes, there are people who collect for investment (I'm not one of them) but I think you'll find the majority of people on here are fans of art above all else. talking about value of art and buying to invest is in fact discouraged on here. stick around and hopefully you'll get a better sense of what this place is about |
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Post by ouroboros on Feb 29, 2016 14:22:26 GMT
"you lot"
rofl
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Post by mibbsy on Feb 29, 2016 16:54:26 GMT
Sorry but I miss the joke - this forum and the other forum = you lot. You clearly have issues with new people coming in here. perhaps I'm supposed to shut-up unless I agree I believe this initiative has not been thought through - and to suggest giving homeless people wads of cash is better than being part of a programme to rehabilitate and create a support framework to aid them is either very naive or is trying to excuse their own greed and intentions. Stick could have done so much more constructively If he really wanted to help those with deep rooted and chronic issues. This is a very crass form of self promotion and advertising that really only serves the artist. It's a PR stunt as Sticks 'art' adds nothing whatsoever. |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Feb 29, 2016 17:10:14 GMT
Sorry but I miss the joke - this forum and the other forum = you lot. You clearly have issues with new people coming in here. perhaps I'm supposed to shut-up unless I agree I believe this initiative has not been thought through - and to suggest giving homeless people wads of cash is better than being part of a programme to rehabilitate and create a support framework to aid them is either very naive or is trying to excuse their own greed and intentions. Stick could have done so much more constructively If he really wanted to help those with deep rooted and chronic issues. This is a very crass form of self promotion and advertising that really only serves the artist. It's a PR stunt as Sticks 'art' adds nothing whatsoever. personally don't see this as self-promotion. he's got all the fame he needs and don't think he'd have gotten involved if it wasn't an issue dear to him but your first point - yes, I don't know how well this is going to go; it might end up being be a great project, or maybe a bad, misguided idea. guess only time will tell |
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Feb 29, 2016 17:37:08 GMT
Sorry but I miss the joke - this forum and the other forum = you lot. You clearly have issues with new people coming in here. perhaps I'm supposed to shut-up unless I agree I believe this initiative has not been thought through - and to suggest giving homeless people wads of cash is better than being part of a programme to rehabilitate and create a support framework to aid them is either very naive or is trying to excuse their own greed and intentions. Stick could have done so much more constructively If he really wanted to help those with deep rooted and chronic issues. This is a very crass form of self promotion and advertising that really only serves the artist. It's a PR stunt as Sticks 'art' adds nothing whatsoever. Perhaps it could do more than one thing? Perhaps Stik (I am not a fan) is using his profile in a way that thinks will help? Maybe some good will come from it? Maybe he is pissing in the wind, given what these bunch of cunts that form our government are doing to the poor, downtrodden, ill...? I dunno, I don't have the answers and am cautious of those who feel they do... BTW, you'll enjoy it here if you are less of a dickhead. At least get to know a few people before you call them cunts... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 19:01:35 GMT
Sorry but I miss the joke - this forum and the other forum = you lot. You clearly have issues with new people coming in here. perhaps I'm supposed to shut-up unless I agree I believe this initiative has not been thought through - and to suggest giving homeless people wads of cash is better than being part of a programme to rehabilitate and create a support framework to aid them is either very naive or is trying to excuse their own greed and intentions. Stick could have done so much more constructively If he really wanted to help those with deep rooted and chronic issues. This is a very crass form of self promotion and advertising that really only serves the artist. It's a PR stunt as Sticks 'art' adds nothing whatsoever. As I understand it these people are homeless and like those who have their own homes they have different health issues in certain cases. Think far worse than Stik's gesture or even anyone who exchanges for cash etc. is your assumption that all homeless are so addicted and have so many problems etc that they cannot handle the concept of money. Think you will find this is not being issued to them because they cannot handle money. In actual fact if people or art investors start running up to homeless people offering them loads of money I do not see it as a bad thing. pretty sure aside from what you think they will find plenty of good things to use this money for and any real money they get etc. |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Feb 29, 2016 19:34:36 GMT
Jesus Christ. Why so negative? Just how badly wrong can this concept go? Worst thing that could happen would probably be paper wasted printing the vouchers.
YES, there should be community support services in place, but addicts already have access to money. Either through work, welfare, begging or crime. Selling their Stik voucher is unlikely to cause them to spiral off the deep end. And not all homeless people have drink or drug problems. Some might blow their money on trainers or something.
You can't deny people money because they might spend it in a way that negatively impacts their health. Fat people eat junk food and die. Rich people go off cliffs in fast cars. Millions spend their wages on drink and drugs.
There's no magic wand for society's ills, but little things can help. I don't care if Stik gets publicity out of this. The scheme, the hostel, AND the people using them also gain needed and useful publicity. I'd rather something is done than nothing. |
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Post by ouroboros on Feb 29, 2016 20:07:07 GMT
I would hate to think of the contemporary reaction to a K foundation style Tennents Super for the homelesss masses project of winter '95
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