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Post by mikeydread on Mar 29, 2016 15:09:24 GMT
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Post by probored on Mar 29, 2016 15:17:30 GMT
The ones in red always seem to hit the spot! Great looking work! Thanks for taking the time to post photos!
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Post by Aza on Mar 29, 2016 15:50:26 GMT
Running Man, Mini Mummy and Red Portraits look like my favourites of these. (not official titles!  ) |
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Post by redneck on Mar 29, 2016 19:23:52 GMT
Really like the look of these ,the bottom one in particular caught my eye also the monochrome piece. Appreciate the pics mikeydread as I have no chance of getting down to see this, cheers. |
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Post by jeezuzjonessnr on Mar 29, 2016 21:12:25 GMT
Great pics fella.
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Post by mikeydread on Mar 29, 2016 23:46:31 GMT
Really like the look of these ,the bottom one in particular caught my eye also the monochrome piece. Appreciate the pics mikeydread as I have no chance of getting down to see this, cheers. I must admit its the first mono piece I can recall seeing from Mr Neate. You may need to look at this if you like the bottom piece. |
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Post by dazarino on Mar 30, 2016 7:42:55 GMT
Bottom one and the running man for me.have a feeling the bottom red will be a print edition in the near future
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Post by ouroboros on Mar 30, 2016 8:21:00 GMT
can anyone else see a touch of futurist / vorticist in these ?
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Post by poledance on Mar 30, 2016 8:46:26 GMT
Huge fan of neate but these like a lot of his recent work just aren't great (a few in fact are awful) no wonder no ones buying
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Post by dazarino on Mar 30, 2016 9:39:49 GMT
I think people are buying, I did hear from Paul he shifts 20 or so a year. At the prices he charges now,I'm not surprised at the numbers, as alot of his followers are urban art fans who quite simply wouldn't spend that kind of dough on one piece of art.
What market do you guys think he represents best now?
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Post by simococo on Mar 30, 2016 14:07:45 GMT
He's a genius
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Post by J on Mar 30, 2016 14:17:36 GMT
First time I've seen this artist - the running ones do nothing for me at all, they are plain ugly, the ones on the red background are amazing though, very Baconesse!
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Post by dazarino on Mar 30, 2016 14:41:43 GMT
First time I've seen this artist - the running ones do nothing for me at all, they are plain ugly, the ones on the red background are amazing though, very Baconesse! Hey j You should Def pop down to elms, his dimensional work at his last show was astonishing, I'm sure they will still have some in house, these new pieces are paintings on canvas so a bit different. Will still look great in person though, Also the painting house used to paint scenery backdrops for the stage so seeing the old racks are really intetesting. |
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Post by J on Mar 30, 2016 17:00:54 GMT
First time I've seen this artist - the running ones do nothing for me at all, they are plain ugly, the ones on the red background are amazing though, very Baconesse! Hey j You should Def pop down to elms, his dimensional work at his last show was astonishing, I'm sure they will still have some in house, these new pieces are paintings on canvas so a bit different. Will still look great in person though, Also the painting house used to paint scenery backdrops for the stage so seeing the old racks are really intetesting. I need to see more shows, I make art but don't go out of my way to appreciate others efforts so much. Coming to this forum is giving me a little more insight into what others are doing/liking/collecting.
Last good show I went that really impressed me was 'American art of the 20th century' back in the mid 90's (showing my age...) in London at the RA? Rauschenbergs, Warholes, Lichtenstein, amazing!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 0:19:25 GMT
Think these are really interesting in that it is another change and development for him.you can see the relationship to the works in his last show but also a distinct change in concept and a strong move back to the brush as it were. Wish I could actually see the works in person. mikeydread many thx for the pics and the video. Contrary to a couple of the comments Adams work sells very well and they have a strong well managed customer base of collectors . Think what is nice about him as an artist is the fact that he never stays still. He is always on the move each show is part of a path of his progress which is why he is such a challenge to the viewer. He constantly moves and challenges himself. Really exciting stuff and great to see an artist who does not just chuck out another version of the same work |
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Post by poledance on Mar 31, 2016 5:48:12 GMT
Like I said I'm a huge fan of Adams work, but please, let's have some perspective there's no great delopmental leap in this work, if anything it shows regression, also there's only so many times I can see very similar red head pieces before I question the validity of the work.
I know for a fact there's plenty of work available, I know for a fact this never used to the case, whilst some of you will never do this, I do think elms have mismanaged Adams career and I question where this is leading because where it's leading is becoming very apparent.
Now by all means go back to praising him because that will fix the very real issues.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 7:49:33 GMT
poledanceOk as you know so much about Adam's work and this is the same as previous Please show pieces by him that are the same as 2,3,5,6,7,10 I do not recall anyone saying he had no work available just the fact that he is selling well and continues to sell well. It's due to Elms that he has work available because he is free to produce so much and he does produce a lot he loves working, his art and just gets on with it......is that such a bad thing. That has nothing to do with the amount he sells. Re Elms yes he could follow the show route with different galleries and shows around the world. But if you actually speak to him then it's just not something he wants to do. I suspect if he did he would do it don't you? I think you will find that that part of the game has no interest for him and that he likes just producing his work and working with someone he feels understands him and they take care of selling his work and he does not really have to bother about it. Now you might not like it and may not like how Elms work with him but I suspect he really doesn't care. I also guess he could leave them whenever he wants but as said I think he really likes the system and it enables him to produce all the work he does. I regularly see them in Asia and they always have new pieces on display at every show they go to. They always have a big stand and one of the best looking in the show and I know for a fact that they shift a lot of work at these shows. Also seems a bit weird that an artist is criticized because he dies not follow the normal sell and hype yourself at galleries routine. So I am sorry but I think you are factually wrong when you say he is not selling and this work is the same. Yes you can say the red portrait and yes he always does one but most of this is quite new. In that he has moved on from the wooden based dimensional pieces with the exception of a couple of these works. This is also an interim show with his big one due October time so you are starting to see some change and hints at how it will develope. This show is actually quite different from the one he did in October. Same artist but noticeable differences
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Post by pandemonia on Mar 31, 2016 10:42:02 GMT
johnnyh - are you looking at this objectively or because you own pieces by Adam.
I own pieces by Adam but do agree with poldark above. I'm not seeing massive development however, I don't really feel he needs to show development every time he makes new work.
As for works selling well, what do you base this assertion on? Conversations with the gallery owner or sight of evidential material, paid invoices, paid for pieces hanging in collectors that you know personally.
Supply used to be difficult to obtain, mainly around the time his prices catapulted.
In fact there is older work available i recently enquired about an older piece and it is available. Sometimes when work appears sold, it not always is sold, however surprising that may seem.
Now several owners who have paid high prices are either playing the longtime out of necessity or seeking to recoup at a significant loss. The Asian market was useful due to the relatively dead UK market, I'll be interested to see how many of these sales are offered at some later date.
I greatly admire Adams work but like any artist some pieces are hit and miss. I'm not sure where his future will be but it seems rather restricting to be solely represented at this point in his career by one gallery.
He may not be bothered, he may be making enough to get by and enable him to continue in his art making career and if so fine.
My gut feel is if he want to continue as is then fine, but he has tried different styles now - painting, sculpture, the dimensional plastic work, the mixed media work etc. My view is he needs to decide on a consistent overarching style if he wants to be regarded as an artist who is seriously considered in the established art scene rather than a serious artist in his own right. I don't doubt how seriously and dedicated he is to his work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 13:42:18 GMT
pandemonia. I think I am pretty objective yes. I do own pieces by him I am not selling or interested in selling any of my collection and never do. I like my Neate pieces etc You say you are not seeing massive development but this string of works is a direct move away from the wooden dimensional pieces of a year last October and a very different angle to his last big show in October. You can go to the website and see the difference between the work. It is quite different. Re availability of some old pieces as mentioned sure there is some available.Pretty sure Elms may also take some from big collectors buying new pieces etc. He produces loads of pieces and sure not everything sells out. But I see buying of his work physically at some of the Asian shows when I am there. I link with a few of his collectors in different parts of Asia and see the pieces they buy and meet at the shows etc. these guys a big collectors not just of him. So he is selling well. Does he sell everything out I doubt it but that is not the question posed. One gallery may or may not be restricting in making a few extra quid or becoming a bit more famous etc. but I don't think it is restricting his work as an artist. Seems to me that all you guys seem to concentrate on is prices for works and would love him to do shows to alter resale values etc. that's fair enough but I bought the works I have and have no interest in selling so the resale value does not bother me either way. But one thing I do notice is that his works and this is where may be Elms are successful do not seem to be resold that much or appear at auctions every 5 mins which tends to imply that people keep them which I think is a good thing. Re his future I think he will continue to great but I do not think he will chase stardom and I do not think it will come after him greatly either. However I do think he will continue to produce cracking work. Must say I love my pieces by him. Of the new show work I really like the 2nd piece. Think the 3rd is really interesting and would like to see in the flesh as it were. I really like the black and white piece think I did see a earlier piece in B&w once but think it's really interesting he had tried this. I really like them an running where he seems to have produced one of his dimensional wooden pieces but just by painting. Really is full of movement and strength. I like the red portrait but I always do!! And I really like the last piece particularly after seeing the video. As say if you go on Elms site and look at the pics from the last October show these are quite different to that work yes you can see same artist but the works here are almost pure painting. This I also think is the start of what he will be doing for his show next October so it's an early glimpse of where he is going. AmI just pointlessly defending him no. Do I like his work yes.!I like also the fact that he does not play the usual game through galleries. Do I care about resale values no unless I want to buy on the secondary market in which case the lower the better in my view On the contrary I do not think he needs to choose and have a set style at all. Think as an artist he should just do what he wants. Should not fit into the artist format box at all. Why?
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Post by pandemonia on Mar 31, 2016 13:58:54 GMT
johhnyh fair points.
Just so you are clear I have no interest in selling my pieces either or care too much about value but do not deny that others do and in my opinion quite rightfully.
To address a couple of issues however, I think you don't get a lot of resales of primary work for a couple of reasons, I've never heard of Elms offering to buy back a previously sold work at the price paid, when it's sold it's sold.
Secondly, people are playing the long game as they know they would suffer a heavy financial hit if sold from the primary pricing of a few years ago.
I agree there was a lot of speculative buying some years ago but when that dried up there was a shift to the Asian market. I hope it's sustainable.
I can see the variation in works, whether that is true development I'm not sure but as I said I find some hit or miss.
I'd like to see a return to painting and some of these new works allude to that, however rather disappointingly, some of the smaller pieces appear almost to be studies and possibly released to offer something more affordable rather than fully worked up pieces, again nothing wrong in that if the motivation is correct.
I hope Elms can rebuild peoples confidence in their management of Adam going forward and he continues to produce great work, time will tell.
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Post by simococo on Mar 31, 2016 14:15:27 GMT
good to see a decent debate
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 14:44:20 GMT
pandemonia Do agree on secondary pricing but the biggest affect on secondary pricing is that he produces so much work. You don't need To buy secondary because he produces new work and it's available regularly. Eg if you look at say Paul Insect when was the last time he did a UK show ? Adam is doing a little one and a big one every year. So to a certain extent his prices in market and the secondary market are set by Elms. Because whatever prices they are selling at is the bench mark. Eg for example why pay 20K in the secondary market if you can get a piece the same size new for 15k off them. Or even why pay 15K in the secondary when you can buy a new piece from the gallery for 15K. I don't see this changing either. Likewise their is also plenty of supply into the market place with one/two shows a year So I think this makes the secondary market quite weird. Similarly people often cannot get the price round here or UAA as he is not really a Street or Urban artist and has not been in that side for a long time. Similarly Elms do not focus that way at all with him. He is a contemporary artist and that market is better funded in general than the urban market and pieces bought much more long term with a lot less trading going on I think. So I think at the start of his career there was hype and prices etc but those days are long gone in my view and I do not see it coming back and I do not see him and Elms changing Likewise appreciate your points and the discussion
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Post by mikeydread on Mar 31, 2016 17:23:03 GMT
good to see a decent debate Yep. What a refreshing change. I've not reached for the popcorn once. Nobody seems to of mentioned the size of these works either. Meaning that you dont have to have lots of money & a big house to display any of them. johnnyh Why does nobody count Insects last pop up show which consisted of paste ups all over east london with the toof. That went on for months. That was a great show. |
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Post by simococo on Mar 31, 2016 17:51:47 GMT
I love the majority of Adam's work and put his 2007 solo show at Elms as one of the most breathtaking art shows I've ever seen
I do prefer his earlier more spontaneous work though
Some of the new dimensional pieces look too clinical for me and lack the energy / anger? of his first shows
Maybe he's mellowed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 18:08:01 GMT
mikeydread ha ha yep just meantmore the fact Neate does shows a lotmorereg than most artists simococo must say I prefer his painted work to the dimensional of late although like the earlier where he was adding to his portrait pieces etc
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