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Post by lha on Jul 5, 2015 21:50:01 GMT
The elusive 'stretched' AP? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 12:24:09 GMT
hate to be anything but positive, but there is some weak crap in those pix.bog standard prints mostly the turtle. for fucks sake. I always assumed it was a tortoise - slow pace of reconstruction and all that. |
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Post by eschiff on Jul 6, 2015 12:58:38 GMT
hate to be anything but positive, but there is some weak crap in those pix.bog standard prints mostly the turtle. for fucks sake. I always assumed it was a tortoise - slow pace of reconstruction and all that. Bog standard prints? What were you expecting? I think the enjoyment of the exhibition (or whatever we're calling it) is seeing his entire catalog in one place. Seeing the rats together, seeing a barcode unsigned, next to a signed, next to the canvas (for example), seeing the rats (and a radar rat which was nice). I'm sure there are prints that didn't make it to the show but none that I could think of walking around... Add in the original pieces and the editioned canvasses...not sure what there is to be bitter about? |
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Post by poledance on Jul 6, 2015 13:04:09 GMT
Why is it being referenced as the entire catalogue of prints? It clearly isn't.
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Post by eschiff on Jul 6, 2015 14:09:38 GMT
Aside from different colour ways (like of cyw) what's missing? As I said I'm sure some are but couldn't pinpoint them. If it's not the complete catalog does that somehow cheapen it for you? Why?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 15:07:45 GMT
I always assumed it was a tortoise - slow pace of reconstruction and all that. Bog standard prints? What were you expecting? I think the enjoyment of the exhibition (or whatever we're calling it) is seeing his entire catalog in one place. Seeing the rats together, seeing a barcode unsigned, next to a signed, next to the canvas (for example), seeing the rats (and a radar rat which was nice). I'm sure there are prints that didn't make it to the show but none that I could think of walking around... Add in the original pieces and the editioned canvasses...not sure what there is to be bitter about? stop |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 15:11:55 GMT
Aside from different colour ways (like of cyw) what's missing? As I said I'm sure some are but couldn't pinpoint them. If it's not the complete catalog does that somehow cheapen it for you? Why? Theres lots missing, it would be more accurately described as most of Banksys released editions, would be nice for fans to see them all together but a pretty pointless catalogue, all info already available, in the first post it says all ltd prints banksy has produced, misleading and inaccurate, still im sure a lot of people enjoyed the opportunity to see a lot of Banksy works together. |
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Post by eschiff on Jul 6, 2015 15:25:07 GMT
Bog standard prints? What were you expecting? I think the enjoyment of the exhibition (or whatever we're calling it) is seeing his entire catalog in one place. Seeing the rats together, seeing a barcode unsigned, next to a signed, next to the canvas (for example), seeing the rats (and a radar rat which was nice). I'm sure there are prints that didn't make it to the show but none that I could think of walking around... Add in the original pieces and the editioned canvasses...not sure what there is to be bitter about? stop you're right, it was shit. I wish more galleries would go back to not having three floors filled with art from one of the artists i most enjoy (not to mention in Amsterdam...always a plus) . Maybe Mr Bingo could make that a hate mail eh sunshine? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 15:26:57 GMT
I don't want to enter into a debate, but please stop with the aggression. don't bother responding. thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 15:57:18 GMT
hate to be anything but positive, but there is some weak crap in those pix.bog standard prints mostly the turtle. for fucks sake. I always assumed it was a tortoise - slow pace of reconstruction and all that. OK. Not sure if it is as multi faceted as that, but there you go, cheers |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Jul 6, 2015 15:57:56 GMT
does anyone know if someone has cataloged/documented every print/canvas editions, one-off's, installation pieces, street pieces etc? I wonder if they kept track of the canvases back in the day when they were selling to friends for 10GBP a pop or if they know every piece that's been painted on a wall. surely PC would have some sort of catalog to reference, or maybe they just show Banksy and ask "eh, remember if you did this?"
I'd imagine at this point Banksy's catalog raisonne would be approaching Warhol's in thickness
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 16:11:28 GMT
no.
anecdata - I know of a couple of street pieces that have never been snapped or discussed on here- both on temporary hoardings - and I don't have the pics of them any more (grrrrr). And yes, they were his I found later, via a third party.
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Post by blackappleart on Jul 6, 2015 16:23:51 GMT
does anyone know if someone has cataloged/documented every print/canvas editions, one-off's, installation pieces, street pieces etc? I wonder if they kept track of the canvases back in the day when they were selling to friends for 10GBP a pop or if they know every piece that's been painted on a wall. surely PC would have some sort of catalog to reference, or maybe they just show Banksy and ask "eh, remember if you did this?" I'd imagine at this point Banksy's catalog raisonne would be approaching Warhol's in thickness Even though Warhol never did street work his "catalog" includes several hundred thousand works including the 20,000 pieces just released in 2012 by his estate. Banksy will never come even close to what he has produced even counting the di faced tenners. |
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Post by lee3 on Jul 6, 2015 16:39:13 GMT
>>>surely PC would have some sort of catalog to reference<<< PC has certainly been building it electronically but i haven't seen any evidence to suggest they have any plans on sharing that information publicly at this stage. >>>I'd imagine at this point Banksy's catalog raisonne would be approaching Warhol's in thickness<<< No, not even remotely close. In Warhol's care you're talking about signed prints numbering ~120k. Works on paper numbered in the 10s of thousands (I've seen estimates as high as 50k though there are certainly at least 20-30k) and painting totals between 10-15k (i think from memory but don't quote me on that one). Warhol's catalog raisonne has been in production now for 13 or 14 years and they have still only completed through '76. That leaves 10 years (a very active 10 years) of painting and then they will go back and try to tackle as best they can the commercial period dating from the late '40s through '61. Warhol was truly a factory whereas Banksy has been far more picky regarding what he releases for collectors. That does not even begin to include such ephemera as the polaroids and early commercial prints that were sold with printed signatures. Wealthy collectors used to be able to wade through seas of Warhol's paintings with the artist and choose their favorites and even had the opportunity to buy paintings that were from the early 60s in the 1980s. He only sold about half of his output during his lifetime and the estate sold the rest off over the decades after his death. In Banksy's case, there is the tiniest fraction of works available by comparison despite similar popularity during their lifetimes and it's clear his best work is in the streets for all to enjoy. I don't think Banksy has any desire for his section in the library to look like this:  |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Jul 6, 2015 16:51:09 GMT
>>>surely PC would have some sort of catalog to reference<<< PC has certainly been building it electronically but i haven't seen any evidence to suggest they have any plans on sharing that information publicly at this stage. >>>I'd imagine at this point Banksy's catalog raisonne would be approaching Warhol's in thickness<<< No, not even remotely close. In Warhol's care you're talking about signed prints numbering ~120k. Works on paper numbered in the 10s of thousands (I've seen estimates as high as 50k though there are certainly at least 20-30k) and painting totals between 10-15k (i think from memory but don't quote me on that one). Warhol's catalog raisonne has been in production now for 13 or 14 years and they have still only completed through '76. That leaves 10 years (a very active 10 years) of painting and then they will go back and try to tackle as best they can the commercial period dating from the late '40s through '61. Warhol was truly a factory whereas Banksy has been far more picky regarding what he releases for collectors. That does not even begin to include such ephemera as the polaroids and early commercial prints that were sold with printed signatures. Wealthy collectors used to be able to wade through seas of Warhol's paintings with the artist and choose their favorites and even had the opportunity to buy paintings that were from the early 60s in the 1980s. He only sold about half of his output during his lifetime and the estate sold the rest off over the decades after his death. In Banksy's case, there is the tiniest fraction of works available by comparison despite similar popularity during their lifetimes and it's clear his best work is in the streets for all to enjoy. I don't think Banksy has any desire for his section in the library to look like this: I was mostly speaking in hyperbole when comparing his to Warhol's output, but I'd think between everything he's ever done (including street pieces), there's got to be many hundreds, if not a couple thousands of unique pieces he's created so far. The Bristol museum show probably had a couple hundred just by itself btw - I've always wanted to buy one of those Warhol collections, but I can't afford a $500 book. I caught this show a couple of months ago, and the amount of commercial illustrations he did is staggering. It was crazy to see them all (well, mostly all) in one place. wcma.williams.edu/exhibit/warhol-by-the-book/ |
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Post by eschiff on Jul 7, 2015 8:49:01 GMT
I don't want to enter into a debate, but please stop with the aggression. don't bother responding. thanks Aggression? Don't bother responding? That's a mature way to have a conversation...sunshine. |
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Post by lonelyfarmer on Jul 7, 2015 9:49:22 GMT
does anyone know if someone has cataloged/documented every print/canvas editions, one-off's, installation pieces, street pieces etc? I wonder if they kept track of the canvases back in the day when they were selling to friends for 10GBP a pop or if they know every piece that's been painted on a wall. surely PC would have some sort of catalog to reference, or maybe they just show Banksy and ask "eh, remember if you did this?" I'd imagine at this point Banksy's catalog raisonne would be approaching Warhol's in thickness Won't happen, too many undiscovered, never was and/or unseen. Anyhow, read Far from the Madding Crowd, far more interesting. |
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