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Post by dungle on Jun 5, 2015 11:38:32 GMT
I understand that galleries want to look after their best clients and I have benefited a number of times myself by being offered a sales list prior to a show opening.
But I can't help but feel that it is slightly annoying when a show is completely sold out before the doors to the show open.
What are your thoughts on this?
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Jun 5, 2015 11:44:31 GMT
I understand that galleries want to look after their best clients and I have benefited a number of times myself by being offered a sales list prior to a show opening. But I can't help but feel that it is slightly annoying when a show is completely sold out before the doors to the show open. What are your thoughts on this? I think a nice balance is offering a pre-show PDF to past clients, while also holding back some pieces that can only be purchased at the show |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 12:42:39 GMT
It's an interesting point dungle for me slightly the opposite being based away from the market in gen like the fact that you can still get to see/purchase in advance etc. but must say fully understand the frustration of going to a show and all sold out etc. Must say do like that when Elms Lester travel to shows with Adam Neate they always have new work and do not sell or announce the work in advance. So yeh suppose I like Fed' concept of a bit of both as it were |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 12:59:30 GMT
Does make sense a gallery looking after their loyal customers but agree with the above that there should be some works available on the night, would be a let down if i went with the anticipation of getting a nice piece..
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Post by alittle on Jun 5, 2015 13:05:05 GMT
As someone who doesn't live in a major city and can't attend high profile exhibitions, I like pre-sales as it gives me access to the entire body of work without having to physically be there. To me an exhibition is more about the viewing of the works than the buying, so it's nice to get that all out of the way in advance.
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Post by notmattl on Jun 5, 2015 13:16:34 GMT
Theoretically a gallery would look after great clients with a pre-sale and keep some pieces for the show. But in that case you sill have the same issue of what you pre-sell to former clients and what you hold back For the show.
I've gotten used to the fact that some galleries will give me 1st dibs, and others will not as I have never bought from them. But that is also a bit screwed as I will not necessarily love the new work of a gallery that considers me a great client, and I would be all over some stuff from galleries who won't give me time of day...
In the end though, if you are nice and polite, I find many galleries will do a lot to allow you to get your hand on the piece you want...
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Post by posterbob on Jun 5, 2015 13:27:21 GMT
I understand that galleries want to look after their best clients and I have benefited a number of times myself by being offered a sales list prior to a show opening. But I can't help but feel that it is slightly annoying when a show is completely sold out before the doors to the show open. What are your thoughts on this? I assume that you're miffed you weren't able to buy a Miaz Brothers piece. If so there are plenty of others available from other galleries. |
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Post by dungle on Jun 5, 2015 13:31:36 GMT
I understand that galleries want to look after their best clients and I have benefited a number of times myself by being offered a sales list prior to a show opening. But I can't help but feel that it is slightly annoying when a show is completely sold out before the doors to the show open. What are your thoughts on this? I assume that you're miffed you weren't able to buy a Miaz Brothers piece. If so there are plenty of others available from other galleries. Not miffed mate, not enough time in life to get miffed when missing out on a piece of art. It's just an odd concept that as a loyal customer you get to choose first, therefore making it rather difficult to become a loyal customer as the less desirable works are left if any at all. |
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Post by dungle on Jun 5, 2015 13:33:35 GMT
Does make sense a gallery looking after their loyal customers but agree with the above that there should be some works available on the night, would be a let down if i went with the anticipation of getting a nice piece.. How do you become a loyal customer if you don't get the option to buy in the first place? Suck it up and buy a second rate piece from the gallery just so you will be considered for future works? |
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Post by dungle on Jun 5, 2015 13:34:07 GMT
It's an interesting point dungle for me slightly the opposite being based away from the market in gen like the fact that you can still get to see/purchase in advance etc. but must say fully understand the frustration of going to a show and all sold out etc. Must say do like that when Elms Lester travel to shows with Adam Neate they always have new work and do not sell or announce the work in advance. So yeh suppose I like Fed' concept of a bit of both as it were Agreed re Elms Lesters, cracking way to run a gallery. |
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Post by adman on Jun 5, 2015 13:36:00 GMT
As someone who doesn't live in a major city and can't attend high profile exhibitions, I like pre-sales as it gives me access to the entire body of work without having to physically be there. To me an exhibition is more about the viewing of the works than the buying, so it's nice to get that all out of the way in advance. And drinking. Lots of drinking  |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Jun 5, 2015 13:40:18 GMT
Does make sense a gallery looking after their loyal customers but agree with the above that there should be some works available on the night, would be a let down if i went with the anticipation of getting a nice piece.. How do you become a loyal customer if you don't get the option to buy in the first place? Suck it up and buy a second rate piece from the gallery just so you will be considered for future works? A lot of galleries will include you on a pre-sales PDF list if you just ask to be. You don't necessarily need to have purchased from them before... varies from gallery to gallery |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 14:21:13 GMT
Does make sense a gallery looking after their loyal customers but agree with the above that there should be some works available on the night, would be a let down if i went with the anticipation of getting a nice piece.. How do you become a loyal customer if you don't get the option to buy in the first place? Suck it up and buy a second rate piece from the gallery just so you will be considered for future works? Im partial to a nice bottle of Chianti or buckfast, not fussy I hear you though, i think when it comes to an exhibition it does make sense to have a selection of works available for future customers and not just the potentially weaker works that havent been snapped up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 14:56:39 GMT
Something people also should remember is that aside from their love of art etc. Galeries are business's so of course they will sell the works at the first opportunity they get. Not all of their shows will sell out in advance so when the odd one does they probably think......thankyou very much and if it was my business I would probably feel and do the same.
Again though an artist that can sell out I would also suggest has the power and weight to make a few rules for the gallery holding the show.
So it's kinda easy to blame the gallery but the buyers in general are not say gallery fans but artist fans so it is kinda upto the artist to look after his or her fans. As been mentioned gallery may well offer agvances to their top clients who buy from them etc. As in most business good reliable clients are hard to find so fully understand them looking after and giving preference at high demand shows.
But one should probably question the artist more. A bit like the Dolk issue re pre orders to galleries to sell out and hike the price
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 15:04:26 GMT
Something people also should remember is that aside from their love of art etc. Galeries are business's so of course they will sell the works at the first opportunity they get. Not all of their shows will sell out in advance so when the odd one does they probably think......thankyou very much and if it was my business I would probably feel and do the same. Again though an artist that can sell out I would also suggest has the power and weight to make a few rules for the gallery holding the show. So it's kinda easy to blame the gallery but the buyers in general are not say gallery fans but artist fans so it is kinda upto the artist to look after his or her fans. As been mentioned gallery may well offer agvances to their top clients who buy from them etc. As in most business good reliable clients are hard to find so fully understand them looking after and giving preference at high demand shows. But one should probably question the artist more. A bit like the Dolk issue re pre orders to galleries to sell out and hike the price Yep i definately have a list of clients who i offer stuff to regularly for a few reasons, we've built a good relationship, built trust and prob most of all they dont mess about ie tell you straight yes/no, youre not one of them J because youre a cunt  Edit joking of course |
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Post by jeezuzjonessnr on Jun 5, 2015 15:46:09 GMT
All good posts and its not just art? it happen in all markets : limited watches, fine wine, limited ed Supercars and high end apartments etc... All have lists of valued clients. I have no problem with it. Once I get a huge lotto win I will hopefully end up on a few lists |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 16:31:46 GMT
[/quote]Yep i definately have a list of clients who i offer stuff to regularly for a few reasons, we've built a good relationship, built trust and prob most of all they dont mess about ie tell you straight yes/no, youre not one of them J because youre a cunt Edit joking of course [/quote][ Take it your joking on the I'm not one of them on the list.......cause even I would say I'm a c*^t.........although to be fair the mrs obviously disagrees because she always calls me a pr*+k Which probably means I am not on the list.......shit!! |
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Post by lonelyfarmer on Jun 5, 2015 16:56:37 GMT
I understand that galleries want to look after their best clients and I have benefited a number of times myself by being offered a sales list prior to a show opening. But I can't help but feel that it is slightly annoying when a show is completely sold out before the doors to the show open. What are your thoughts on this? Tell them you know Banksy, or to be even more exclusive & interesting tell them you don't. |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Jun 5, 2015 17:24:14 GMT
I understand that galleries want to look after their best clients and I have benefited a number of times myself by being offered a sales list prior to a show opening. But I can't help but feel that it is slightly annoying when a show is completely sold out before the doors to the show open. What are your thoughts on this? Tell them you know Banksy, or to be even more exclusive & interesting tell them you don't. That reminds me.  |
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Post by manty on Jun 5, 2015 17:34:25 GMT
Just bung em some cash, grease the wheels, or nick it
I remember a leanard street opening night a few years back where the guy in front walked around the gallery with a pretty lady staff member, saying i'll have that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, she struggled to keep up with her little roll of red stickers, i got bored after about 5 minutes of being amused by him doing this, so ordered lots of free beer for me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 17:52:19 GMT
Tell them you know Banksy, or to be even more exclusive & interesting tell them you don't. That reminds me. That cant be Banksy, sure hes 10ft tall and has lasers for eyes!!! |
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Post by lee3 on Jun 5, 2015 18:01:54 GMT
Just bung em some cash, grease the wheels, or nick it I remember a leanard street opening night a few years back where the guy in front walked around the gallery with a pretty lady staff member, saying i'll have that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, she struggled to keep up with her little roll of red stickers, i got bored after about 5 minutes of being amused by him doing this, so ordered lots of free beer for me Given the manner in which they closed their doors, I'm guessing the buyer in your story above was actually a planted pawn of the gallery? I have no issues with pre-sales but reading your post about leonard street sure brings back some animosity from yesteryear. The ugly underbelly of the art market. |
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Post by adman on Jun 5, 2015 18:02:15 GMT
Just bung em some cash, grease the wheels, or nick it I remember a leanard street opening night a few years back where the guy in front walked around the gallery with a pretty lady staff member, saying i'll have that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, she struggled to keep up with her little roll of red stickers, i got bored after about 5 minutes of being amused by him doing this, so ordered lots of free beer for me That's the spirit! |
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Post by dot on Jun 5, 2015 18:08:11 GMT
Just bung em some cash, grease the wheels, or nick it I remember a leanard street opening night a few years back where the guy in front walked around the gallery with a pretty lady staff member, saying i'll have that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, she struggled to keep up with her little roll of red stickers, i got bored after about 5 minutes of being amused by him doing this, so ordered lots of free beer for me Given the manner in which they closed their doors, I'm guessing the buyer in your story above was actually a planted pawn of the gallery? I have no issues with pre-sales but reading your post about leonard street sure brings back some animosity from yesteryear. The ugly underbelly of the art market. did someone mention the connor brothers ? ..http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-features/11153746/The-Connor-Brothers-An-exclusive-interview.html underbelly indeed |
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Post by adman on Jun 5, 2015 18:11:34 GMT
Just bung em some cash, grease the wheels, or nick it I remember a leanard street opening night a few years back where the guy in front walked around the gallery with a pretty lady staff member, saying i'll have that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, she struggled to keep up with her little roll of red stickers, i got bored after about 5 minutes of being amused by him doing this, so ordered lots of free beer for me Given the manner in which they closed their doors, I'm guessing the buyer in your story above was actually a planted pawn of the gallery? I have no issues with pre-sales but reading your post about leonard street sure brings back some animosity from yesteryear. The ugly underbelly of the art market. Or possibly, manty bankrupted them? Talking of which, time for a lager... |
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