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Post by Commissioner on Jun 30, 2015 21:42:46 GMT
BBC 1 Now
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 22:38:31 GMT
I have been meaning to comment on this earlier, but the Koons prog has brought it up again
Monetarization of art- the big difference I have noticed over years of comsuming this stuff, is how the succesful American modern artists ( WW2+) seem to have absolutely nailed the marketing and promotion of their art, hand in hand with the idea. This isnt a new or original observation I realise, but the capitalist ethos seems to be as much of a driver for these artists( broad brushstrokes blates) as the concept of the art. Indeed, it is part n parcel of the concept
whereas brits & europeans seem to doodle alone and descend into depths of dipsomania and death. apart from Hirst, who has stolen the ideas and marketed the art rather efficiently
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maybe this is a subject in itself
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Post by Dr. Plip on Jun 30, 2015 22:52:39 GMT
Was the programme any good? Or will it just make me angry if I watch it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 23:06:54 GMT
I liked the sculptures of his ex Mrs
Its what you expect really - fairly hagiographic, but and interesting peek into post war American middle class society - both the artist and the commentators.worth a watch just fot the loz, but not exactly eye opening- Koons is what you expect really
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Post by Commissioner on Jun 30, 2015 23:09:00 GMT
Was the programme any good? Or will it just make me angry if I watch it?
I'd recommend watching Dr. . . Gigantic balloon dogs, rows of vacuum cleaners, the colourful, the commonplace, the shiny and ephemeral - American artist Jeff Koons makes 'poor' objects into something rich people desire. As his retrospective travels from the Whitney Museum in New York to the Pompidou in Paris, and now the Guggenheim in Bilbao, imagine… examines the controversial artist. Raised by his furniture-maker father and seamstress mother, and spending his childhood selling wrapping paper and sweets door-to-door for pocket money, Koons took up an apprenticeship at the cutting edge Arts Institute in Chicago and embarked on a career chalking up the highest prices ever recorded for modern art. This film looks at just who Jeff Koons is and what it is that makes his work so different. Will his balloons float above the art market bubble and hold their place in the history of art? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 23:10:50 GMT
ex commodities trader as well. fucking hell.
This is what I mean about the commercial aspect of the US generation.
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Post by poledance on Jun 30, 2015 23:30:35 GMT
The world has more disposable income, there are more super rich, people's attention spans are shortening, art is appealing to more people who don't want to think or can't
(For reference see here)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 0:04:29 GMT
this is not new. the scale & the gross spunked maybe, but the idea that vapid thinkers have got into art for whatevs is centuries old.
I have been reading aboyt the burgeoning chinese middle class art market of late. This is fascinating- a whole generation born during the cultural revolution ( i.e, a near year zero for traditonal chinese cultural norms ), & wealthy as croesus , that is embacing and buying whatever has been advised as a good investment and will impress the fam more than a case of lafite ;62 ( not a good year apparently ).
PS anyone want to go 50/50 on a Banksy focused gallery startup in Beiijing ?
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Post by poledance on Jul 1, 2015 0:09:38 GMT
this is not new. the scale & the gross spunked maybe, but the idea that vapid thinkers have got into art for whatevs is centuries old. I have been reading aboyt the burgeoning chinese middle class art market of late. This is fascinating- a whole generation born during the cultural revolution ( i.e, a near year zero for traditonal chinese cultural norms ), & wealthy as croesus , that is embacing and buying whatever has been advised as a good investment and will impress the fam more than a case of lafite ;62 ( not a good year apparently ). PS anyone want to go 50/50 on a Banksy focused gallery startup in Beiijing ? It's not new,it's just growing, fiercely and like a big ball of stupid demanding coloured rainbows, children and Kate moss. |
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Post by dot on Jul 1, 2015 8:32:36 GMT
I thought better of watching it , is there any critique from yentob or it purely here's what he's ...in quotes done.
There's this sense of saying something without critique which pervades telly on these subjects of late , nothing fresh to speak of, dumbed down telly , a scourge of our.. Ok this age.
Anyway for those who watched .. Did you learn something ?
Would be interesting to hear who from the uk situation in the past 15 he'd think worth ... Investigating...
(Sadly laz ain't no mclaren in that respect... But he does try on occasion... )
Shame there's not a stock of imagines floating around the inters...
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