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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 20:50:04 GMT
Oh, an as a slight aside, if anyone thinks the Brick Lane is owned by a group of people in competition with one another, then they're naive.
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Post by jeezuzjonessnr on Sept 28, 2015 22:35:39 GMT
Gentrification happens in every major capital city. Its the way of the world.. I love East London but its been happening there (all over London) for a while - they should have been protesting many years ago? its not new and been happening world wide in all capitals. Locals sell up and move out with a nice profit in the bank and overseas people move in and it becomes a multi cultural city. Its happening in Sydney big time, the last 10 years its changed so quickly - I have seen some dodgy areas become some of the best. Galleries and cafes move quick to these areas as the rent is lower. It's like rinse and repeat through out the city, you will always get young people willing to spend (on their credit card) 5 pound on cereal or $18 on smashed avacado on toast!!, more fool them. A friend of mine paid $300k for a house in Sydney (a while back), its now worth $1.5m he cant wait to sell to an over seas buyer and move to the sunshine coast - buy a huge house with pool 100m walk to the sand and he'll have $700k in his wallet and retired at 50. We'd all do it given the chance. We did the same 2 years ago sold in Sydney and moved up to QLD, way happier and healthier for the family Down side is youngsters cant afford to live or buy a place (not even a 1 bed shoe box) in the city so commute times become harder. Problem is apart from China and Japan (who thought ahead). Western countries need fast trains to get to the capitals for commuters. But they aren't doing this (they only talk about it) and the population increases, Australia allows 400k people in every year and most of them want to live in Sydney so commuting will be getting way worse going forward.
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Post by ouroboros on Sept 29, 2015 8:18:55 GMT
Just because something is happening does not mean it should happen.
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Post by iamzero on Sept 29, 2015 8:36:29 GMT
At least the Kray twins had the balls to not wear pig masks while intimidating people. Fucking cowards.
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Post by IggyWiggy on Sept 29, 2015 9:14:18 GMT
At least the Kray twins had the balls to not wear pig masks while intimidating people. Fucking cowards. Would also be good if the police didn't cover their faces and remove their numbers too.
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Post by IggyWiggy on Sept 29, 2015 9:19:26 GMT
" ... Now, the group behind the attack have announced that they will next be opposing the "vile" Jack the Ripper Museum, in Cable Street, on Sunday, October 4. In a poster advertising the protest, the groups says: "End the war on women now. Stop the glorification of sexual violence." Joshua Walker, spokesperson for the museum, said in a statement: "I’m disappointed that they [Class War] have planned another attack on the museum – rather than working with us on our mission to tell the stories of the women of the East End and helping us with our upcoming exhibition schedules, charity work, debates and fundraising." He added: "We do not believe that targeting small local businesses is the answer to protecting the interests of the poorest members of our local community – issues that we are equally passionate about and look to help with our fundraising and charity efforts." Class War was established in 1983 as a far left political group, originating in Swansea, in Wales. It has since evolved into an anarchist group. The Cable Street museum has been surrounded by controversy since it opened its doors this summer. Originally meant to recognise and celebrate the women of East London, the museum now focuses on notorious prostitute serial killer, Jack the Ripper. The change in subject matter sparked fury in July, as residents who initially supported the women's museum felt duped, with even the architect distancing himself from the new subject matter. Residents were outraged by the change of topic, with some saying the role of women in history had been "reduced to a red smudge". Yet museum bosses say they "have not deviated" from their original mission, but have "just changed... [their] primary focus to ensure mass appeal". A statement from the museum read: "The museum is not a celebration of Jack the Ripper, it does not condone a killer who murdered women, but tells the story of the lives of the women who fell victim to him and his heinous crimes." The scheme was put forward by former Google diversity chief Mark Palmer-Edgecumbe. He said: "I have spent my entire life campaigning for diversity and equality. "I utterly deplore violence against women and have actively worked with charities that tackle domestic violence and trafficking of women. "I intend to work with the community of Tower Hamlets both by supporting local women’s charities, providing employment and training for local people and revitalising the area around Cable Street.” The Jack the Ripper Museum has been the subject of a number of demonstrations since it opened, but news of the latest protest has been largely condemned on social media, with many questioning the group's choice of target. www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/28/cereal-killer-cafe-protesters-jack-the-ripper-museum_n_8207584.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
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Post by dales on Sept 29, 2015 9:25:12 GMT
I do have great sympathy with the problem of property prices going through the roof in this part of London (I'm a Hackney resident)and local people are being priced out. However, these idiots certainly do not speak for most locals. These little hipster style businesses, cafes, gallaries etc have sprung up all over the area and whether they appeal to some or not the stark reality is if they where not occupying a building it would be either a betting shop, fast food joint or charity shop. There are whole roads in Hackney that consist of just these 3 businesses. Given the choice most locals would rather see a small independant shop open up that they have little interest in rather then the blight of the 3 shops I have mentioned.
To me this cereal cafe just high lights how a fool and their money are easily parted but you pays your money and takes your choice. If these idiots who attacked it had wanted to take real direct action then there are a tonne of other targets that would seem worthy of attention. All they have really done is provide free advertising for the cereal cafe and ensured that the easily led will want to go to it and win some cool brownie points.
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Post by ouroboros on Sept 29, 2015 9:37:49 GMT
The JTR museum is a Nathan barley construct. Does ex head of google shitrags, Mark Permberton Fuckpig-Arschgeiger have any sense of self awareness?
It has legs though - franchise opportunities- the Yorkshire ripper experience, the Shipman merry go round an organic café, Dennis Nielson Sauna and bakery...
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Post by IggyWiggy on Sept 29, 2015 9:40:59 GMT
The JTR museum is a Nathan barley construct. Does ex head of google shitrags, Mark Permberton Fuckpig-Arschgeiger have any sense of self awareness? It has legs though - franchise opportunities- the Yorkshire ripper experience, the Shipman merry go round an organic café, Dennis Nielson Sauna and bakery... ... Josef Fritzl Schnitzel
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Post by iamzero on Sept 29, 2015 9:42:19 GMT
At least the Kray twins had the balls to not wear pig masks while intimidating people. Fucking cowards. Would also be good if the police didn't cover their faces and remove their numbers too. I have no problem with the old bill bending the rules a little. I have a friend of mine that is very much into his football violence and have heard a fair few story of how he'd had a dig at coppers over the years. He turned up at work one day with his leg totally black and blue with bruises where he's got a kicking from a couple of coppers and was heading to the solicitors later that day to start legal stuff against them. Twat. If you wanna play the game then don't expect the police not to wanna have a little fun too.
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Post by ouroboros on Sept 29, 2015 9:53:28 GMT
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Post by poledance on Sept 29, 2015 10:10:46 GMT
Would also be good if the police didn't cover their faces and remove their numbers too. I have no problem with the old bill bending the rules a little.
ladies and gentleman we have a winner
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Post by iamzero on Sept 29, 2015 10:14:48 GMT
You're already my winner Poldark. I love an idealist. Problem is I live in a practical world.
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Post by Dr. Plip on Sept 29, 2015 10:38:22 GMT
Walks in room, promptly turns back around and shuts door behind. Sure, trap me in here. Thanks a lot.
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Post by iamzero on Sept 29, 2015 11:21:57 GMT
Come on plip... Group hug.
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Post by happymeal on Sept 29, 2015 11:24:14 GMT
You're already my winner Poldark. I love an idealist. Problem is I live in a practical world. A world where rapists are idolised and police brutality accepted. Angry much?
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Sept 29, 2015 11:29:44 GMT
...Problem is I live in a practical world. How're you finding that?
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Post by iamzero on Sept 29, 2015 11:34:39 GMT
So how do you stand on the illegal filming of the killers of Stephen Lawrence?
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Post by iamzero on Sept 29, 2015 11:37:00 GMT
...Problem is I live in a practical world. How're you finding that? Just about surviving thanks for asking. How's yourself?
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Sept 29, 2015 11:44:45 GMT
Just about surviving thanks for asking. How's yourself? Up and down. A lot of people are just down, and slipping further down, though. I reckon that's wh some people are trying to change the world. You f we accepted the practical world most of us would still be picking cabbages...
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Post by iamzero on Sept 29, 2015 11:51:27 GMT
Surely people don't pick cabbages anymore... There has to be a machine for that by now.
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Post by ouroboros on Sept 29, 2015 12:24:44 GMT
So how do you stand on the illegal filming of the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Don't go down this one please, else you will drag the righteous brothers back in the discussion. rantastic
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Post by iamzero on Sept 29, 2015 12:33:43 GMT
Retracted.
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Post by iamzero on Sept 29, 2015 12:35:22 GMT
Let's all have a big bowl of coco pops and move on. They turn the milk chocolately you know.
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Post by Dr. Plip on Sept 29, 2015 12:50:06 GMT
I think if life is working out ok for you, then you're quite happy with how society works and is governed. If life is not working out ok for you, you're more likely to want to implement change.
I think a fairer society should be the goal of everybody. The fairer things are, the less likely it is that people will take the piss at both ends of the spectrum. There's crime and abuse at both levels, but some already have plenty and want more, while others are starting with not much and wanting more. Want less crime? Less unrest? Make things fairer. Lead by example. If you bend the rules or abuse your position, then others will do the same. And in many cases, the one will have to resort to more extreme actions to affect the many.
Life is not fair. Life is cruel and unjust. Society doesn't have to be though. You'll of course always have disparity, and you need to have something to strive for, otherwise what's the fucking point? But when government, corporations and the "haves" rub it in the faces of the "have nots", while stacking the deck heavily in favour of the corrupt and immoral, then don't be surprised to see people protesting.
If you don't like the protests, try to understand the causes, then look at what can be done to change things so that people won't feel the need to protest or riot. Would I have sympathy for anyone that would loot my beard shop? Hell no! I would shoot them in the face with my musket. But I know that perhaps if society addressed the cause of the unrest and examined why my beard shop was being looted, then the looting might never need to happen.
It's not just always about scum and lazy bastards or racists or the generation that went before, pulling the ladder up behind them, it's about a lot of things. It's hard, it's fucking complicated, but it's worth talking about. We won't fix things, certainly not on here, but it's worth taking the baby steps that are needed to make a better society. We have to. There just won't be enough resources to go around for future generations. Something has to change. Society has to be fairer. If that means making concessions for the poor or the worse off than yourself, then that's a good investment for the future. For everyone's future.
Sorry, I lost my point somewhere. I'll be honest, I've been thinking about coffee and football violence for the past 15 minutes or so. Who's into football violence? Why'd you need football as an excuse for violence? Why not just go and have random fights with people? Why'd you need a team? Why football? Why not cricket? It just doesn't make sense.
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