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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 4:41:06 GMT
Well it's not exactly a working class publication is it and it quotes a big food critic......for. McDonald's which regardless of design serves burgers to ordinary people not a posh food critic lik Jay Raynor. He is possibly your version of gentrification personified a white university educated public school boy from Harrow who is now a posh food critic... Commenting on McDonald's in Brixton for an online American owned journal doing an article on gentrification of .....so that for me is worse than some idiot at mcDonalds doing some daft interior design. Not "a working class publication"? I'm genuinely curious and not even fucking with you when I ask - what exactly is a working class publication? Can you name three for me? Ta. Suggest you have a think........!!!!! I'll give you an example of one that isn't and it's the Huffington Post !!
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Post by IggyWiggy on Mar 11, 2016 6:28:55 GMT
Does this mean that media outlets can only comment on issues once the 'class' of their owner(s) has been determined and has been judged as consistent with any impending comments? Or does it mean,for example, 'publications' such as the Mail cannot comment on tax avoidance due to the actions of Lord Rothermere? Intriguing.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 11, 2016 7:55:06 GMT
Not "a working class publication"? I'm genuinely curious and not even fucking with you when I ask - what exactly is a working class publication? Can you name three for me? Ta. Suggest you have a think........!!!!! I'll give you an example of one that isn't and it's the Huffington Post !! Ok, you can't. You're just spouting your usual nonsense and drivel. Thats what I thought but thanks for being good enough to confirm it. Have a great day and enjoy your weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 7:59:09 GMT
Does this mean that media outlets can only comment on issues once the 'class' of their owner(s) has been determined and has been judged as consistent with any impending comments? Or does it mean,for example, 'publications' such as the Mail cannot comment on tax avoidance due to the actions of Lord Rothermere? Intriguing. No not at all you seemed to have missed the point I just thought it quite funny and quite ironic that the source of your post was the Huffington post who were writing about the gentrification of an area of London quoting an ex public school boy from Harrow who is basically a food snob commenting on the gentrification of Brixton You and Thatcher seem desperate to create a long drawn out discussion but seems pretty obvious to me!! But so be it!! Does seem to be the gentrified complaining about gentrification though!!
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Post by IggyWiggy on Mar 11, 2016 8:36:01 GMT
Does this mean that media outlets can only comment on issues once the 'class' of their owner(s) has been determined and has been judged as consistent with any impending comments? Or does it mean,for example, 'publications' such as the Mail cannot comment on tax avoidance due to the actions of Lord Rothermere? Intriguing. No not at all you seemed to have missed the point I just thought it quite funny and quite ironic that the source of your post was the Huffington post who were writing about the gentrification of an area of London quoting an ex public school boy from Harrow who is basically a food snob commenting on the gentrification of Brixton You and Thatcher seem desperate to create a long drawn out discussion but seems pretty obvious to me!! But so be it!! Does seem to be the gentrified complaining about gentrification though!! You're right, i hadn't found the point terribly clear. I can't speak for others but i'm not 'desperate' for a long, drawn-out discussion. In fact, i'm all for clear, concise posts that don't require the point to be slowly teased out through toing and froing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 8:59:44 GMT
Obviously another ironic post from you!
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 11, 2016 9:00:28 GMT
Does this mean that media outlets can only comment on issues once the 'class' of their owner(s) has been determined and has been judged as consistent with any impending comments? Or does it mean,for example, 'publications' such as the Mail cannot comment on tax avoidance due to the actions of Lord Rothermere? Intriguing. No not at all you seemed to have missed the point I just thought it quite funny and quite ironic that the source of your post was the Huffington post who were writing about the gentrification of an area of London quoting an ex public school boy from Harrow who is basically a food snob commenting on the gentrification of Brixton You and Thatcher seem desperate to create a long drawn out discussion but seems pretty obvious to me!! But so be it!! Does seem to be the gentrified complaining about gentrification though!! I think I understand. You're saying that people cannot comment on something unless it is within the sphere of experience of the socio-economic environment within which they are born.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 11, 2016 9:01:52 GMT
Obviously another ironic post from you! I think it's more sarcastic in a passive voice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 9:12:03 GMT
No not at all you seemed to have missed the point I just thought it quite funny and quite ironic that the source of your post was the Huffington post who were writing about the gentrification of an area of London quoting an ex public school boy from Harrow who is basically a food snob commenting on the gentrification of Brixton You and Thatcher seem desperate to create a long drawn out discussion but seems pretty obvious to me!! But so be it!! Does seem to be the gentrified complaining about gentrification though!! I think I understand. You're saying that people cannot comment on something unless it is within the sphere of experience of the socio-economic environment within which they are born. Yes that's right your so clever thats exactly what I meant. Great to see you speaking up in defense of the the Public school boy from Harrow posh food critic.......Thatcher would be proud off you Well done mate
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Post by ouroboros on Mar 11, 2016 9:45:24 GMT
You cant really give anyone much of a hard time for their education as a kid- its not like they have much say in it. Its what happens when you leave and grow up that is important.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 10:26:11 GMT
You cant really give anyone much of a hard time for their education as a kid- its not like they have much say in it. Its what happens when you leave and grow up that is important. But it's not about his education as such but more the fact that he is s public school boy from Harrow who is now commenting on the gentrification of Brixton. Strikes me you would be better off asking a mother or father whose family have been in the area for a long time and whose kids or grand kids can no longer live nearby because they cannot afford it as house prices have risen so much since posh food critics started moving into the area.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 11, 2016 11:10:57 GMT
You have such a, I'm looking for the right term - basic? simple? no - straightforward, that's the term, view of the world. I'm quite, quite jealous. So unaffected by self doubt, or nuance. So assured despite criticism and critique by so, so many. Are you published?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 11:22:26 GMT
Ha ha you would love to know!! But suggest you look at yourself rather than your concerns for me.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 11, 2016 13:15:10 GMT
Ha ha you would love to know!! But suggest you look at yourself rather than your concerns for me. I think 'love to know' might be over egging it...
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Post by ouroboros on Mar 11, 2016 13:56:06 GMT
You cant really give anyone much of a hard time for their education as a kid- its not like they have much say in it. Its what happens when you leave and grow up that is important. But it's not about his education as such but more the fact that he is s public school boy from Harrow who is now commenting on the gentrification of Brixton. Strikes me you would be better off asking a mother or father whose family have been in the area for a long time and whose kids or grand kids can no longer live nearby because they cannot afford it as house prices have risen so much since posh food critics started moving into the area. Its like discussing vegetarianism. the only common ground reached in such an absurdist reductionist discussion is that rocks and gravel probably don't have feelings or feel pain, so we should nom on them to avoid complications . Poor igneous rock babies maybe Jays lot have been Londoners for longer than those whose kids cannot afford to live there any more- does that give him more rights to bleat - where is the arbitrary cut off that allocates moan points fairly? I moan about things that I have a no bleat allocation to use. I am heavily overdrawn at the bank of grumble
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Post by ouroboros on Mar 11, 2016 14:00:56 GMT
PS, Probs metioned this before, but Mts Ourbs lot settled in Whitechapel from Vilnius via Kerson in the Ukraine after a bit of hot uncensored full on pogrom action over a century ago. I wonder what the costermongers in the burgh thought of the tranches of oddly dressed bearded arrivals that raised rents and took over the costermongers family owned rotting fish head and shit caked raw potato concessions - creating a new fangled dish called *fish and chips* ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 16:00:16 GMT
All fine load of Bolox but as mentioned constantly ouroboros he is from harrow not Brixton. If you read the article there is nothing that even suggests he is a resident of Brixton now. Which he may or may not be. Not about what he grumbles about but more a case of why that writer or publisher used him as the quote and reference for the article. As mentioned using the gentrified to complain about gentrification although maybe Harrow has got to Posh for him hence he moved to Brixton to complain about it!!! I doubt it but you never know
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 11, 2016 16:35:30 GMT
I'd like to know where you were born and when. What did your parents do for a living? Where did you go to school? Then I can work out exactly what you are allowed to comment on.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Mar 11, 2016 16:54:38 GMT
the only thing I want gentrified is my butthole
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 17:00:48 GMT
I'd like to know where you were born and when. What did your parents do for a living? Where did you go to school? Then I can work out exactly what you are allowed to comment on. Ta Jeez grow up......all a bit boring now is the life in the village that bad??
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Mar 11, 2016 17:20:50 GMT
You're right, these are difficult questions. I'll stop now.
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Post by adman on Mar 11, 2016 20:13:29 GMT
I'd like to know where you were born and when. What did your parents do for a living? Where did you go to school? Then I can work out exactly what you are allowed to comment on. Ta Jeez grow up......all a bit boring now is the life in the village that bad?? What is this village you're talkng about?
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Post by ouroboros on Mar 11, 2016 21:30:46 GMT
He has lived in brixtonia for about 20 years now IIRC
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Post by IggyWiggy on Jan 4, 2017 18:34:54 GMT
‘Iconic’ Shoreditch street art wall at risk as The Stage development draws closerThe future of a wall for street artists - which is known the world over and has raised over £100,000 for charity - is in jeopardy, as The Stage development draws closer to completion. EMMA BARTHOLOMEW finds out more about the Shoreditch Art Wall. The future of a world-famous wall promoting up-and-coming street artists is in doubt due to a £715m development set to transform the area. The iconic Shoreditch Art Wall where the likes of Ant Carver, Gnasher, Louis Gomez and rap artist MF Doom have painted – and marriage proposals have been made – could only be around for another three months. In the five years since it was set up by Peter Mackeonis, ads for companies like Nike, Burberry, Jonny Walker and Microsoft have raised over £100,000 for charities including Save the Children and the Save Syria’s Children fund. Mr Mackeonis came up with the idea for the art wall when he was visiting his sister Bernice Selvey, whose husband Peter founded Peter the Pleater blinds shop. The store’s premises are surrounded by the art wall, but the shop has just closed after losing a two year fight with the council to remain. Hackney Council, which owns the wall, gave Mr Mackeonis permission to paint it. But now the construction of Galliard Homes’ multi-million pound 37-story luxury apartment and office complex, The Stage, is threatening it. The Stage will preserve the site of Shakespeare’s Curtain Theatre after which it is named. Mr Mackeonis, who manages the art wall from his home in California, said: “The concept was to develop art in Shoreditch and to give the artists a canvas. Effectively we worked with hundreds of artists who have come in from around the world – it’s become iconic. “We have artists from Brazil Australia, America, Germany - we let them rip. We ask for examples of their previous work and as long as they are artists they can paint exactly what they like. It’s become quite a centre, we have had people contact us from the US saying “We will be in town can we book the wall?” and as long as it’s available they can.” They have also promoted the likes of the Princes Tust employment charity, Elton John AIDS Foundation artists, Peter Gabriel’s human rights WITNESS programme, and the campaign for testicular cancer #checkyournuts, as well as an anti-child bride campaign. Paralympian Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson unveiled a mural of herself there highlighting the need for wheelchair access. And Michael Bates who walked an epic 3,000 miles from Olympia to London in support of a peace resolution during the London Olympic Games unveiled the ‘Walk for Truce’ mural there. Mr Mackeonis said: “We have had wedding proposals and they walked their girlfriends past and there’s this huge ad saying “Will you marry me” on it - we do that for free. We give a lot of the money to charity, and when we do charge for it, it supports our other activities - it’s not really a profit centre for us.” Initially developer Galliard Homes wanted them out by December 31 because they wanted to advertise their own development. But now they have given the wall permission to operate until March 31, on the condition they can use the first panel to advertise The Stage. “We don’t know if it’ll be knocked down, the developers aren’t telling us,” said Mr Mackeonis. “Because it’s part of a railway arch, they might take it down for access into the yard - the words the developers used is they have “plans for it themselves”. We’ll see what a sad loss that’s going to be.” He continued: “It would be nice to have a bit of Shoreditch left - otherwise it’ll end up looking like Singapore, all steel and skyscrapers, and we’ll ask where did London go. It’s fast disappearing.” Galliard Homes did not respond to the Gazette’s request for comment. www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/iconic_shoreditch_street_art_wall_at_risk_as_the_stage_development_draws_closer_1_4836520
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Post by IggyWiggy on Jul 5, 2017 18:35:55 GMT
Should we blame art for Brixton's gentrification?By RUDY SCHULKIND It has become cliché to point to the outward symbols of gentrification in cities throughout the world. Craft beer, artisan coffee, retro clothing and avocados; homogenization of the high-street – all offer a checklist of signs that an area is going up in the world. Kyle Chayka, writing for the Verge, has even coined a term, "airspace", to denote the stale, commodified hipster aesthetic that we all recognise: minimalist Scandinavian furniture, reclaimed wood, Edison bulbs, refurbished industrial lighting. Of course, the impact of gentrification on the communities it affects is rarely as benign as these outward signifiers. It often takes the form of a sort of social cleansing – exorbitant increases in rent drive out families and independent businesses. London and other cities become segregated by income as the poor, and ethnic minorities, are pushed to the fringes. London's Brixton offers one of the most striking examples of gentrification in a city famous for it. The way it has changed illuminates one of the key questions about the process – is art to blame? You can be sure that wherever cheap rent can be found, artists will follow. They bring with them creative dynamism, galleries, beautiful street art, and a demand for coffee shops and bars. Governments and property developers are quick to recognise the gains to be made from this transformation of the landscape. The shipping containers housing the cafes, restaurants and boutique shops of London's "pop-Brixton" have been adorned with huge, colourful illustrations by prominent street artists. Meanwhile, further up the street, the same processes which drive demand for such initiatives have led to the eviction of independent businesses which occupied the space under Brixton station's railway arches for decades. For Davy Jones, a local who teaches photography, such trends crystallize the historical "natural marriage between artists and capital". Art is also an important part of the struggle against gentrification. The shutters of evicted businesses in Brixton quickly became covered in anti-gentrification murals: a skeleton in a suit carrying eviction notices, a starbucks logo with blood dripping from the figure's hollow eyes and mouth. Others carry a more positive message, celebrating the area's historic diversity. On nearby Beehive Street, portraits of Brixton old-timers have been fixed to the wall, alongside political messages lamenting "Brexodus", and containers with plants. "They're a response to gentrification", Joe, who used to live in the area and does not want to give his last name, tells me. "I know the guys who built this, he drilled it to the wall to see if the council would tear it down, because that's what they're doing here, they're tearing everything down." But can art be a part of anti-gentrification protest, without failing on its own terms? These pieces of street art carry a political and aesthetic edge that might inject value into the area, and speed up the processes that have been unleashed. Felix Choong, a member of the art collective sorryyoufeeluncomfortable, tells me that in the Chicago neighbourhood of Pilsen, murals which explicitly aim to celebrate and preserve the historic Latin American community, have inadvertently made the area more attractive to gentrifiers: "The murals are seen as a kind of cultural exoticism, which leads to white people wishing to inhabit these realms that are ethnic, different and exciting." Brixton’s political murals could end up producing a similar effect - leaving radical artists inadvertantly exacerbating the social injustice they are trying to highlight. At the same time, such art is an important means by which locals can reclaim community spaces: Choong suggests they "create a feeling of solidarity among those who feel dislocated when they navigate the streets that have changed so rapidly". The anti-gentrification art in Brixton is filled with cultural references and historic figures only understood by long-time residents. And Joe tells me that their creators are self-conscious about how their work affects the area: "I think they think about these issues in fact as well, because when they make a lot of these things, there'll be a street party, and everyone will come out, and it creates a community aspect for people who actually live here. Because only they know about it. There's no adverts.” Local artists are reluctant to view art as a cause of gentrification. Sara Khan, who helped run the Save Brixton Arches campaign, explains how anti-gentrification art can retain its radical roots, and avoid being co-opeted for commercial purposes. "Art itself is rebellious, and asks the audience to see things from a different perspective. For Save Brixton Arches we used graffiti art as a platform to get our voices heard- it's a style of art that is the opposite of gentrification. It wasn't designed to be loved by the many or sold to the rich. Graffiti tells underlying social and political messages that make a statement." The art served as a focal point for the campaign, drawing the community together, and Sara has since been approached by other neighbourhoods to help protect their threatened businesses. Tim Sutton, from the Brixton-based art group Urban art, says that "if you're looking for someone to blame, it's not artists, it's the council". Their annual event - which uses the street railings as an open air gallery for local artists – is likely to be cancelled, because of Lambeth council's decision to raise the fee for closing the road, refusing to distinguish between their nonprofit event and a commercial one. Meanwhile, local artists are losing their work space - he cites the example of Stockwell studios, which was sold off by the council for redevelopment. The farewell note of those based in the Stockwell studios quoted "local boy" William Blake: "When nations grow old, the arts grow cold, and commerce settles in every tree." The line echoes the views of many I spoke to in Brixton – that the changes in the area are a natural, universal process that necessarily repeats itself across the globe - but this is only part of the truth. The dislocating inflow of capital, the soaring rents and expensive shops, are often merely following in the wake of artists and their art. But it is political decisions and nondecisions that let those changes destroy the communities that drew artists there in the first place. All photos courtesy of the Save Brixton Arches campaign www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2017/07/should-we-blame-art-brixtons-gentrification
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