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Post by poledance on Aug 23, 2015 9:10:06 GMT
Sit down, take a deep breath, allow all the competing voices demanding happiness to subside and have a little think about the art at dismaland. What did you see? What did you feel? Has it changed you in anyway? And ..... Discuss
First up I'd like to talk about the refugee remote control boat lake.
Humans of a certain age from the UK will remember going to fairs controlling boats around a lake, firing off their imagination about seafaring adventures, of one day being rich enough to afford a boat and woo the princess.
Now boats are portrayed as the evil weapon of people smugglers and vessels carrying swarms of humans to countries they don't deserve to dwell within. We hear politicians saying those jumping the border maybe rapists or killers. We hear the Australian government take pride in bribing boats to turn round of forcibly pulling them to international waters. We hear the UK government laugh at the French and be unwilling to help the Italians as refugees look for a better life.
But underneath it all, are real people, in real trouble, dehumanised by politicians and voters unwilling to think about their suffering.
This piece by banksy cuts to the heart of the sick game the refugees are trapped within, dying to escape, control by the whims of those who don't care.
No it's not cutting modern art, but it is heartbreaking and the way rich middle aged men look at it, sums up the fucked up world we live in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 10:00:31 GMT
The refugee piece was potent, tbh while i was there i only thought about the message momentarily because there was so much going on, meeting lots of people trying not to miss anything, when you first see the refugee from a distance the automatic thought was fun, childhood memories, remote control boats but when you get up close and see the expressions of the models its powerful, a harsh reality check that human beings like us are dying in an attempt to be free, to have a better life, to survive. The Diana piece was haunting, the duck grab was actually great fun as a game, it was almost impossible, made impossible by the staff who slapped the rod away when you had the slightest chance of winning even taking it off you and throwing it on the ground, then you look at the pelican dripping in oil and the prize, a fishfinger in a bag, childhoof memory of winning a goldfish as a kid which likely often died, reality strikes of how humanity treats animals, nature and our enviroment. Im glad i got plenty of photos because at the time it was an overload on the senses, difficult to capture or explain the experience, it was overwhelming, the logistics of putting the show on were mind boggling!!
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Post by lee3 on Aug 23, 2015 10:08:53 GMT
Topple the anvil. Throwing ping pong balls at an anvil is a life altering experience and if you win you get to carry the anvil home. ha ha
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 10:12:17 GMT
Topple the anvil. Throwing ping pong balls at an anvil is a life altering experience and if you win you get to carry the anvil home. ha ha That was funny, everyone was putting 100% in, even trying 2 or 3 balls when 1 didnt do it!
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Post by poledance on Aug 23, 2015 10:18:27 GMT
Topple the anvil. Throwing ping pong balls at an anvil is a life altering experience and if you win you get to carry the anvil home. ha ha Go on then discuss its meaning ... Toppling systems, our impotence, our inability to comprehend and cope with its outcome?
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Post by lee3 on Aug 23, 2015 10:19:19 GMT
Topple the anvil. Throwing ping pong balls at an anvil is a life altering experience and if you win you get to carry the anvil home. ha ha That was funny, everyone was putting 100% in, even trying 2 or 3 balls when 1 didnt do it! I spent forever there watching kids and adults alike read that sign. Even better watching some of the players whip the balls at the dismal employees working the stand. i love it and probably due to the sensory overload you alluded towards above. Loved that dj in your avatar too
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Post by lee3 on Aug 23, 2015 10:22:29 GMT
Topple the anvil. Throwing ping pong balls at an anvil is a life altering experience and if you win you get to carry the anvil home. ha ha Go on then discuss its meaning ... Toppling systems, our impotence, our inability to comprehend and cope with its outcome? i don't think my ear to ear smile can go there just yet. Sensory overload has reduced me to chuckling to myself every time i say topple the anvil
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 10:27:34 GMT
Sit down, take a deep breath, allow all the competing voices demanding happiness to subside and have a little think about the art at dismaland. What did you see? What did you feel? Has it changed you in anyway? And ..... Discuss First up I'd like to talk about the refugee remote control boat lake. Humans of a certain age from the UK will remember going to fairs controlling boats around a lake, firing off their imagination about seafaring adventures, of one day being rich enough to afford a boat and woo the princess. Now boats are portrayed as the evil weapon of people smugglers and vessels carrying swarms of humans to countries they don't deserve to dwell within. We hear politicians saying those jumping the border maybe rapists or killers. We hear the Australian government take pride in bribing boats to turn round of forcibly pulling them to international waters. We hear the UK government laugh at the French and be unwilling to help the Italians as refugees look for a better life. But underneath it all, are real people, in real trouble, dehumanised by politicians and voters unwilling to think about their suffering. This piece by banksy cuts to the heart of the sick game the refugees are trapped within, dying to escape, control by the whims of those who don't care. No it's not cutting modern art, but it is heartbreaking and the way rich middle aged men look at it, sums up the fucked up world we live in. May be you should stop accusing, just looking at the pics and actually visit. Your quoting the obvious as it's obvious from the pics but to understand the piece fully you have to play it...:.:I suggest you dothenyou will not be quite so judgement slat anyone who actually did it and fully experienced the piece.........that's why Otis so good andcengages, hallenges the userwhatevertheir thoughts and views. Whether old and looking back and able to understand the news or very young and needing your parents to explain what's going on and why.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 10:30:22 GMT
Topple the anvil. Throwing ping pong balls at an anvil is a life altering experience and if you win you get to carry the anvil home. ha ha Go on then discuss its meaning ... Toppling systems, our impotence, our inability to comprehend and cope with its outcome? No think that one was as lee3 said.... And for me just fuckin fun any thing deeper would have been way above a mere mortal like myself. Will send you a pic and you an explain it to us!!!!
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Post by Dr. Plip on Aug 23, 2015 10:43:07 GMT
Well, I haven't been to the show or seen the works yet, but that doesn't usually stop people from forming opinions.
I don't know the artist's intentions with the piece, so these are just my thoughts, random as they are.
I'll choose the princess crash.
It's clearly referencing the Diana crash, where, while she was (SPOILER!) trapped and dying in the wreckage, paparazzi were taking photographs and filming her.
I can imagine that when you first see this work (in person), your first instinct is to take a photograph of it. Now while this artwork is a harmless construction, the act of photographing this scene kinda puts you the viewer/photographer into the place of the paparazzi. Knowing what this piece is referencing, even though nobody is injured or dying, you are taking pleasure and enjoyment from something parodying the deaths of individuals that were killed while trying to flee chasing photographers. Now while you haven't chased this poor princess to her death, you have probably travelled for miles to see it.
While you might not have caused this crash, you are right there alongside the paparazzi, taking photographs.
Even if you're not there to photograph the image yourself, by looking at the images online, in magazines or newspapers, you have to think about how those images were obtained and their further distribution. Is the public's voracious appetite for sensationalistic imagery causing morality to be obscured or even worse, is the need to observe and intrude on other people's lives, particularly the misery or suffering of others, actually endangering those that we are observing.
Perhaps we can ask ourselves what we get out of such imagery? Does it educate? Can we learn from it? Can we use the knowledge obtained from it to do good? If not, then why is it there? What is it feeding?
I'd also like to add that 2 fake horses died in that fake crash. Most people will only care that the princess has died, not caring that the horses died too. Just like the majority of people won't even remember that other people died in the car along with princess Diana.
Something, something, something, Murdoch, something, cunt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 10:43:52 GMT
It was amazing, everyone was on the same level, massively grateful to have the chance to experience what for me was genuinely one of the best times of my life, there was a real feel of everyone being in it together, random strangers young and old talking and laughing like old friends, very hard to explain everyone had a great night thats for sure!
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Post by poledance on Aug 23, 2015 10:54:15 GMT
Well, I haven't been to the show or seen the works yet, but that doesn't usually stop people from forming opinions. I don't know the artist's intentions with the piece, so these are just my thoughts, random as they are. I'll choose the princess crash. It's clearly referencing the Diana crash, where, while she was (SPOILER!) trapped and dying in the wreckage, paparazzi were taking photographs and filming her. I can imagine that when you first see this work (in person), your first instinct is to take a photograph of it. Now while this artwork is a harmless construction, the act of photographing this scene kinda puts you the viewer/photographer into the place of the paparazzi. Knowing what this piece is referencing, even though nobody is injured or dying, you are taking pleasure and enjoyment from something parodying the deaths of individuals that were killed while trying to flee chasing photographers. Now while you haven't chased this poor princess to her death, you have probably travelled for miles to see it. While you might not have caused this crash, you are right there alongside the paparazzi, taking photographs. Even if you're not there to photograph the image yourself, by looking at the images online, in magazines or newspapers, you have to think about how those images were obtained and their further distribution. Is the public's voracious appetite for sensationalistic imagery causing morality to be obscured or even worse, is the need to observe and intrude on other people's lives, particularly the misery or suffering of others, actually endangering those that we are observing. Perhaps we can ask ourselves what we get out of such imagery? Does it educate? Can we learn from it? Can we use the knowledge obtained from it to do good? If not, then why is it there? What is it feeding? I'd also like to add that 2 fake horses died in that fake crash. Most people will only care that the princess has died, not caring that the horses died too. Just like the majority of people won't even remember that other people died in the car along with princess Diana. Something, something, something, Murdoch, something, cunt. I guess this is the 'controversial' piece for the media and yet it's referencing an event from a lifetime ago for most. And the point? Have we learnt from this and become better? Glorying in the death of others? And the answer? No, we're worse.
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Post by cymruplan on Aug 23, 2015 11:14:43 GMT
I haven't been yet but from the plethora of photos coming from the show and various comments on forums, the overall experience seems to greatly outweigh the individual pieces. Taking the first example with the immigrants in a boat, Vik Muniz (and I'm sure others) covered this topic more eloquently with his Lampedusa installation and several months earlier than Banksy. However, the theme fits well with the Dismayland experience and by all reports adds to it so there is no point in assessing the work on its individual merits but in the round.
Hopefully I can get down there next weekend and give a more informed opinion but from a distance the sum is greater than its parts.
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Post by Dr. Plip on Aug 23, 2015 11:20:00 GMT
SPOILERS!
The lasagne merry-go-round, is clearly and simply referencing the horsemeat/food chain scandal from recent years. While there aren't many other horse-themed fairground rides they could have used for this reference, either by design or fortuitous coincidence, the use of a merry-go-round is rather apt for the food scandal.
Even though there may have been regulatory and legal changes made in an attempt to prevent poor quality or meat of undisclosed origin from entering the food chain, just like the slaughterman on the merry-go-round, you can guarantee that another food scandal will come around again. Because it's far cheaper (and quicker) to buy a £1 ready-meal made from crap, than it is to spend £5+ on the basic ingredients to make one yourself.
People don't necessarily like eating cheap food, but they will eat it because it's cheap. Because of this, food manufacturers will always race each other to the bottom of the slurry barrel, chasing cheap ingredients to people that can't afford to eat better.
And on the subject of cheap food. If you think this doesn't really matter, you should think about the long-term damage that this cheap food and drink does. It increases your chances of developing diabetes. This may result in your requiring lifelong medication. You may also develop complications from your diabetes. Blindness, ulcerations, amputation of limbs. This will all require medical care, treatment, equipment.
Bad food can also increase your risk of developing cancer. We all know what that does and can imagine the long-term health complications that come with a cancer diagnosis.
Heart attacks. Strokes. Knee and hip replacements, due to weight gain caused by bad food. These conditions can also, and often do, require long-term medication, support and rehabilitation.
And these health concerns don't just affect the individual, they also affect relatives and the people around them. It's like ripples in a pond. Relatives may have to stop work, become carers, and in many cases, their own health will suffer as well.
There are more examples.
While the artist may have "just" been having a shot at the horsemeat lasagne story, it hints at a far greater threat to the public health (and purse). Not even going into social security payments for unemployment or disibilty, taxpayer's money will be spent on treating those same taxpayers for the illnesses they've acquired from eating cheap, sub-standard food. Food they've been coerced into consuming because they a) Aren't paid enough to be able to afford better, b) They aren't educated enough regarding their food supply, c) They're lied to about the ingredients in their food, or d) Supermarkets want our money. They can get this by cutting prices. They do this by sourcing the cheapest ingredients possible.
Sometimes you want to pay more for your food. Sometimes you can't.
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Post by Dr. Plip on Aug 23, 2015 11:25:41 GMT
Is it specifically in the rules that you can't hop the barrier and shove the anvil over? If the anvil game represents the futility of the weak or little guy trying to topple the strong and powerful, sometimes breaking the rules and violence is the answer.
You can achieve your goal. You might have to break rules to do it though.
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Post by happymeal on Aug 23, 2015 15:19:34 GMT
SPOILERS! The lasagne merry-go-round, is clearly and simply referencing the horsemeat/food chain scandal from recent years. While there aren't many other horse-themed fairground rides they could have used for this reference, either by design or fortuitous coincidence, the use of a merry-go-round is rather apt for the food scandal. Even though there may have been regulatory and legal changes made in an attempt to prevent poor quality or meat of undisclosed origin from entering the food chain, just like the slaughterman on the merry-go-round, you can guarantee that another food scandal will come around again. Because it's far cheaper (and quicker) to buy a £1 ready-meal made from crap, than it is to spend £5+ on the basic ingredients to make one yourself. People don't necessarily like eating cheap food, but they will eat it because it's cheap. Because of this, food manufacturers will always race each other to the bottom of the slurry barrel, chasing cheap ingredients to people that can't afford to eat better. And on the subject of cheap food. If you think this doesn't really matter, you should think about the long-term damage that this cheap food and drink does. It increases your chances of developing diabetes. This may result in your requiring lifelong medication. You may also develop complications from your diabetes. Blindness, ulcerations, amputation of limbs. This will all require medical care, treatment, equipment. Bad food can also increase your risk of developing cancer. We all know what that does and can imagine the long-term health complications that come with a cancer diagnosis. Heart attacks. Strokes. Knee and hip replacements, due to weight gain caused by bad food. These conditions can also, and often do, require long-term medication, support and rehabilitation. And these health concerns don't just affect the individual, they also affect relatives and the people around them. It's like ripples in a pond. Relatives may have to stop work, become carers, and in many cases, their own health will suffer as well. There are more examples. While the artist may have "just" been having a shot at the horsemeat lasagne story, it hints at a far greater threat to the public health (and purse). Not even going into social security payments for unemployment or disibilty, taxpayer's money will be spent on treating those same taxpayers for the illnesses they've acquired from eating cheap, sub-standard food. Food they've been coerced into consuming because they a) Aren't paid enough to be able to afford better, b) They aren't educated enough regarding their food supply, c) They're lied to about the ingredients in their food, or d) Supermarkets want our money. They can get this by cutting prices. They do this by sourcing the cheapest ingredients possible. Sometimes you want to pay more for your food. Sometimes you can't. As the horse meat scandal is such old news, I see it as a continuation on his BOTI slaughterhouse truck piece as well. We all start loving animals for the way there make us feel inside.Spiritually/emotionally. I see it (surprise, surprise) much more about animal lovers and the meat industry than the food industry in general. I think cheap food and the meat industry are 2 slightly different issues but are of course a clear reflection of western health and selfishness. P.S. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE P.P.S. I'm having vegan 'Chicken' Nuggets for tea.
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Post by Dr. Plip on Aug 23, 2015 15:47:45 GMT
SPOILERS! The lasagne merry-go-round, is clearly and simply referencing the horsemeat/food chain scandal from recent years. While there aren't many other horse-themed fairground rides they could have used for this reference, either by design or fortuitous coincidence, the use of a merry-go-round is rather apt for the food scandal. Even though there may have been regulatory and legal changes made in an attempt to prevent poor quality or meat of undisclosed origin from entering the food chain, just like the slaughterman on the merry-go-round, you can guarantee that another food scandal will come around again. Because it's far cheaper (and quicker) to buy a £1 ready-meal made from crap, than it is to spend £5+ on the basic ingredients to make one yourself. People don't necessarily like eating cheap food, but they will eat it because it's cheap. Because of this, food manufacturers will always race each other to the bottom of the slurry barrel, chasing cheap ingredients to people that can't afford to eat better. And on the subject of cheap food. If you think this doesn't really matter, you should think about the long-term damage that this cheap food and drink does. It increases your chances of developing diabetes. This may result in your requiring lifelong medication. You may also develop complications from your diabetes. Blindness, ulcerations, amputation of limbs. This will all require medical care, treatment, equipment. Bad food can also increase your risk of developing cancer. We all know what that does and can imagine the long-term health complications that come with a cancer diagnosis. Heart attacks. Strokes. Knee and hip replacements, due to weight gain caused by bad food. These conditions can also, and often do, require long-term medication, support and rehabilitation. And these health concerns don't just affect the individual, they also affect relatives and the people around them. It's like ripples in a pond. Relatives may have to stop work, become carers, and in many cases, their own health will suffer as well. There are more examples. While the artist may have "just" been having a shot at the horsemeat lasagne story, it hints at a far greater threat to the public health (and purse). Not even going into social security payments for unemployment or disibilty, taxpayer's money will be spent on treating those same taxpayers for the illnesses they've acquired from eating cheap, sub-standard food. Food they've been coerced into consuming because they a) Aren't paid enough to be able to afford better, b) They aren't educated enough regarding their food supply, c) They're lied to about the ingredients in their food, or d) Supermarkets want our money. They can get this by cutting prices. They do this by sourcing the cheapest ingredients possible. Sometimes you want to pay more for your food. Sometimes you can't. As the horse meat scandal is such old news, I see it as a continuation on his BOTI slaughterhouse truck piece as well. We all start loving animals for the way there make us feel inside.Spiritually/emotionally. I see it (surprise, surprise) much more about animal lovers and the meat industry than the food industry in general. I think cheap food and the meat industry are 2 slightly different issues but are of course a clear reflection of western health and selfishness. P.S. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE P.P.S. I'm having vegan 'Chicken' Nuggets for tea.
Do you think Banksy is saying it's wrong to eat meat? Or is he saying that people should be conscious of where and how the meat (that they may or may not eat) is obtained? Do you think he's advocating vegetarianism or is he, in a broader sense, using animal rights as just one example of how we should be more aware of how we live our lives compassionately and intelligently? P.S. Enjoy your nuggets. P.P.S. Have you ever noticed how, if you took a whole lot of meat packaging (especially chicken), then placed a whole load of veggie/meat substitute packaging next to it, the meat-based food will be more likely to feature happy cartoon animals on the front? But you'd think that the veggie packaging would be the one with happy animals on it. Why do so many take-aways and fast food outlets have happy animals as their mascots? What have they got to be happy about?
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Post by curiousgeorge on Aug 23, 2015 16:54:35 GMT
Topple the anvil. Throwing ping pong balls at an anvil is a life altering experience and if you win you get to carry the anvil home. ha ha Art imitates life?
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Post by curiousgeorge on Aug 23, 2015 17:00:08 GMT
Topple the anvil. Throwing ping pong balls at an anvil is a life altering experience and if you win you get to carry the anvil home. ha ha Go on then discuss its meaning ... Toppling systems, our impotence, our inability to comprehend and cope with its outcome? I'd go along with that too. Toppling systems with the impossible tools (ping pong balls) massively unbalanced against the 'player' Great thread btw. Been waiting to take part in these sort of threads for years. Always interesting to hear the thoughts of all levels of collectors/fans
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 17:03:02 GMT
The Little Mermaid, made to look like you're viewing her on an old, dodgy VHS tape. Clearly a comment on our distorted childhood memories of the "good times."
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Post by curiousgeorge on Aug 23, 2015 17:09:47 GMT
Sit down, take a deep breath, allow all the competing voices demanding happiness to subside and have a little think about the art at dismaland. What did you see? What did you feel? Has it changed you in anyway? And ..... Discuss First up I'd like to talk about the refugee remote control boat lake. Humans of a certain age from the UK will remember going to fairs controlling boats around a lake, firing off their imagination about seafaring adventures, of one day being rich enough to afford a boat and woo the princess. Now boats are portrayed as the evil weapon of people smugglers and vessels carrying swarms of humans to countries they don't deserve to dwell within. We hear politicians saying those jumping the border maybe rapists or killers. We hear the Australian government take pride in bribing boats to turn round of forcibly pulling them to international waters. We hear the UK government laugh at the French and be unwilling to help the Italians as refugees look for a better life. But underneath it all, are real people, in real trouble, dehumanised by politicians and voters unwilling to think about their suffering. This piece by banksy cuts to the heart of the sick game the refugees are trapped within, dying to escape, control by the whims of those who don't care. No it's not cutting modern art, but it is heartbreaking and the way rich middle aged men look at it, sums up the fucked up world we live in. For me this is as hard hitting as crazy horse,whose meaning went over the heads of the majority.As per usual imo I don't thinking you need to be a middle-class male to understand these scum in the boats are coming here to drain our country of resources, take our women/jobs/school places/hospital beds/doctors appointments.It is very sad and indicative of the power of the media that the majority of the visitors will have a slightly xenophobic view of the migrant boats due to being conditioned by the media. You know, it's not really that long ago that we imported migrants en masse by the errr boat load.
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Post by IggyWiggy on Aug 23, 2015 17:33:41 GMT
To mention a new one, Cameron toasting the privileged elite. With the pressure towards him building from the 'youth' to the right. The 'sweeping away' of the Canary Wharf skyline, is it wishful thinking? Is it trying to stress the power of the indivisual, the disenchanted? I like it. Didn't realise it was '3D' until I saw castlegalleryni's post on IG.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 17:53:41 GMT
Hirst is saying that the unicorn is like a visual metaphor for Banksy. A beautiful golden horned and hoofed beast, both trapped and created by himself.
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Post by happymeal on Aug 23, 2015 17:59:06 GMT
As the horse meat scandal is such old news, I see it as a continuation on his BOTI slaughterhouse truck piece as well. We all start loving animals for the way there make us feel inside.Spiritually/emotionally. I see it (surprise, surprise) much more about animal lovers and the meat industry than the food industry in general. I think cheap food and the meat industry are 2 slightly different issues but are of course a clear reflection of western health and selfishness. P.S. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE P.P.S. I'm having vegan 'Chicken' Nuggets for tea.
Do you think Banksy is saying it's wrong to eat meat? Or is he saying that people should be conscious of where and how the meat (that they may or may not eat) is obtained? Do you think he's advocating vegetarianism or is he, in a broader sense, using animal rights as just one example of how we should be more aware of how we live our lives compassionately and intelligently? P.S. Enjoy your nuggets. P.P.S. Have you ever noticed how, if you took a whole lot of meat packaging (especially chicken), then placed a whole load of veggie/meat substitute packaging next to it, the meat-based food will be more likely to feature happy cartoon animals on the front? But you'd think that the veggie packaging would be the one with happy animals on it. Why do so many take-aways and fast food outlets have happy animals as their mascots? What have they got to be happy about? It's a bit of a strange piece to me. The horse meat scandal was over 2 years ago. If any other artist had just released it, people would be going.......hello.....relevance? It works for me, I love it. Being on a horse merry-go-round, I see it about speciesism as well. Cow yes-horse no? Banksy seems to have a pretty strong Anarchist background and UK anarchy have a strong vegan relationship so I do hope he has a strong vege/vegan meaning for it and not just to kill certain animals nicely. Two videos: One about 'happy animals' and one about food marketing.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Aug 23, 2015 20:13:51 GMT
gonna go with the Robbo tribute. Not much to say about it except a very classy move to include it and I'm sure his friends, family, and fans appreciate it
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