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Post by tartarus on May 10, 2015 8:21:28 GMT
But don't you have to wonder if they would actually fully agree? "They gave their lives for our freedom" Is on a lot of these memorials if i remember it right. They did indeed give their lives for freedom. They also gave it for the respect, honour and care of others who were in trouble. Not the pointless desecration of a monument to the countries heroe's. This had nothing to do with art, nothing to do with the Tories this is a monument to those that gave their lives in the war. The majority of whom were working class. However these monuments are for all who died and are therefore classless. So there should be no support or understanding for the idiot who did this. You (not you personally) wanna scrawl on the Daily Mail building fine but a monument to the war dead.....I don't think so "respect, honour and care of others who were in trouble. " Yes they did mate. But what exactly has happened to the things they gave their lives for? They have been irradicated near as dam it, by the successive governments. I sometimes wonder just how much people bother to read whats typed, and how often they just jump on their own agenda. Your basically fully disagreeing with me at the same time, your stating the exact same reasoning as evidence for my point being wrong. I don't think its respectfull, i don't think its art (and fucking doubt the person that did it does either!). However, how is it respectful that they gave their lives when asked, "in the pursuit of freedom" and to not have "to live in a world of hate" and "for a decent life for all" "However these monuments are for all who died and are therefore classless. So there should be no support or understanding for the idiot who did this." But of course its fine to grind the people and the country into dust huh. And you want us all just to watch?
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Post by iamzero on May 10, 2015 9:15:40 GMT
Surely by protesting you ideally want to gain sympathy and support from people that otherwise wouldn't? By scrawling that shit onto a public monument to honour the dead all you do is turn people against you even more. Coming from a person arrested on numerous occasions for painting on things I shouldn't if I saw this person painting this onto the wall of the Daily Mail or Mr Cameroons car... Go ahead and exercise you right to protest. But if I saw you paint this onto a monument of this sort I'd do my very best to squeeze that can of paint into the place your mother never washed... And get another charge for the other thing I was good at getting arrested for... Not keeping my hands in my pocket when I should.
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Post by Dr. Plip on May 10, 2015 10:05:00 GMT
Can we not do it as "best of three"? That way, when the early results come in, depending on how it's looking, more people might be encouraged to vote?
To be honest, I might not have thought this through.
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Post by tartarus on May 10, 2015 10:09:15 GMT
To be honest, i couldn't swear i wouldn't do the same if i witnessed it. I don't really like it either.
But at the same time, i just can't help but think people with the mentality to put their lives on the line for "the greater good" would be utterly appalled at the situation we are now in. And would probably be at the forefront of these kind of protests. I get that maybe its only me. But thats how i would feel.
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Post by delloy on May 10, 2015 10:12:47 GMT
Forget all this crap for a few hours. Get bidding on the NBF Auction!!
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Post by Dr. Plip on May 10, 2015 10:19:38 GMT
I think to focus on one bit of (clearly disrespectful) graffiti, just draws focus away from the actual intentions of many of the people that were protesting. If every single one of them had sprayed onto the monument, then fair enough, vilify the protestors, but still try to understand why they did it. But (as of right now) nobody knows who did it. They could have just been an idiot. A moron. Someone that had no idea what the monument even symbolises. Could have been an 80-year old war veteran that's had his benefits stopped or his pension plundered. Judge it as a single act, and not as the press release for the entire anti-austerity movement.
To focus on this one thing, like we're doing, and like the media are doing right now, just conveniently plays into the hands of the people it's aimed at.
Instead, whether it's on here or just in our own minds, let's focus on the cause of the financial crash, growing inequality, corrupt corporations and governments, the selling off of national resources and infrastructure, and the very real and harmful effects of austerity. Always ask why, how and who.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 11:06:55 GMT
I think to focus on one bit of (clearly disrespectful) graffiti, just draws focus away from the actual intentions of many of the people that were protesting. If every single one of them had sprayed onto the monument, then fair enough, vilify the protestors, but still try to understand why they did it. But (as of right now) nobody knows who did it. They could have just been an idiot. A moron. Someone that had no idea what the monument even symbolises. Could have been an 80-year old war veteran that's had his benefits stopped or his pension plundered. Judge it as a single act, and not as the press release for the entire anti-austerity movement. To focus on this one thing, like we're doing, and like the media are doing right now, just conveniently plays into the hands of the people it's aimed at. Instead, whether it's on here or just in our own minds, let's focus on the cause of the financial crash, growing inequality, corrupt corporations and governments, the selling off of national resources and infrastructure, and the very real and harmful effects of austerity. Always ask why, how and who. Crikey plip you expect people to concentrate on the actual issues rather than one stupid action?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 16:18:45 GMT
They did indeed give their lives for freedom. They also gave it for the respect, honour and care of others who were in trouble. Not the pointless desecration of a monument to the countries heroe's. This had nothing to do with art, nothing to do with the Tories this is a monument to those that gave their lives in the war. The majority of whom were working class. However these monuments are for all who died and are therefore classless. So there should be no support or understanding for the idiot who did this. You (not you personally) wanna scrawl on the Daily Mail building fine but a monument to the war dead.....I don't think so "respect, honour and care of others who were in trouble. " Yes they did mate. But what exactly has happened to the things they gave their lives for? They have been irradicated near as dam it, by the successive governments. I sometimes wonder just how much people bother to read whats typed, and how often they just jump on their own agenda. Your basically fully disagreeing with me at the same time, your stating the exact same reasoning as evidence for my point being wrong. I don't think its respectfull, i don't think its art (and fucking doubt the person that did it does either!). However, how is it respectful that they gave their lives when asked, "in the pursuit of freedom" and to not have "to live in a world of hate" and "for a decent life for all" "However these monuments are for all who died and are therefore classless. So there should be no support or understanding for the idiot who did this." But of course its fine to grind the people and the country into dust huh. And you want us all just to watch? [br Kind of just shows yours silly as then who wrote fuck Tory scum on the monument. Your right they fought for freedom and the freedoms in the UK are great and ridiculous in comparison to others in the world. But sorry you may cry but there is very little suffering in the UK Similarly with all the freedoms gained I don't expect people to be surpressed but their not really are they. Not sure they want to love the Tories but then again I don't expect them to daub the monument to women who gave their lives in the war. So sorry there should be no support or understanding of the idiot who did this. Its done by an idiot who understands nothing. Lives in a country who clothes, houses and feeds him/her because of those who gave their lives. So to disrespect them is just sad. As said if they want to daub graffiti on the Tories fine...but war memorials.... Sorry just sad and pathetic But of course the main thing wrong with your justification of this desecration is that it follows a political belief. Eg would you give it the same support if it said fuck labour or the working class. If a UKIP supporter had written fuck immigrants. What ever your politics nothing justifes this.
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Post by tartarus on May 10, 2015 16:50:10 GMT
Yes john your right. I remember you attacking me for callling ukip scum. So i guess this is just the same old rant from a man that doesn't live here, visits the sparkly pearlescent bubble of london now and then, and checks out an art forum when high value work sells. So obviously the whole country is fine.
I don't think your even really considering my point so can't really be bothered. And to be honest, i don't think you have a clue what your on about, so its all pretty pointless.
But feel free to tell me that I'm"sad" and "sorry you may cry but there is very little suffering in the UK" "Kind of just shows yours silly as then who wrote fuck Tory scum on the monument."
It doesn't follow a political belief either. Its me wondering how the people the monument represents would feel. (although i accept that you obviously have a better idea on what I'm thinking, based on your obvious knowledge of a country you don't live in)
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 2:39:28 GMT
Yes john your right. I remember you attacking me for callling ukip scum. So i guess this is just the same old rant from a man that doesn't live here, visits the sparkly pearlescent bubble of london now and then, and checks out an art forum when high value work sells. So obviously the whole country is fine. I don't think your even really considering my point so can't really be bothered. And to be honest, i don't think you have a clue what your on about, so its all pretty pointless. But feel free to tell me that I'm"sad" and "sorry you may cry but there is very little suffering in the UK" "Kind of just shows yours silly as then who wrote fuck Tory scum on the monument." It doesn't follow a political belief either. Its me wondering how the people the monument represents would feel. (although i accept that you obviously have a better idea on what I'm thinking, based on your obvious knowledge of a country you don't live in) attacked is a very strong word and I probably just commented on a nonsensical post you made like the one you made in this thread supporting/understanding why someone did what they did to the monument . The point here has nothing to do with where I live most of the time but I have a home in the UK thx. The point is also non political it does not matter what party you support you should not daub nonsensical graffiti on the monuments of the war dead. It's quite simply really. And sorry to correct you and I understand people in the UK having a hard time etc but I seriously doubt it was one of them who daubed the monument it probably was not put on the monument by a homeless person was it But all gets away from the real point which is its wrong to daub graffiti on the monuments to the war dead whatever the politics and you don't need to live in England 365 days a year to work that one out. It's also only a couple of days since the people using democracy voted in a Tory govt so you might wanna look a little closer to home
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Post by tartarus on May 11, 2015 8:14:45 GMT
Yes john your right. I remember you attacking me for callling ukip scum. So i guess this is just the same old rant from a man that doesn't live here, visits the sparkly pearlescent bubble of london now and then, and checks out an art forum when high value work sells. So obviously the whole country is fine. I don't think your even really considering my point so can't really be bothered. And to be honest, i don't think you have a clue what your on about, so its all pretty pointless. But feel free to tell me that I'm"sad" and "sorry you may cry but there is very little suffering in the UK" "Kind of just shows yours silly as then who wrote fuck Tory scum on the monument." It doesn't follow a political belief either. Its me wondering how the people the monument represents would feel. (although i accept that you obviously have a better idea on what I'm thinking, based on your obvious knowledge of a country you don't live in) attacked is a very strong word and I probably just commented on a nonsensical post you made like the one you made in this thread supporting/understanding why someone did what they did to the monument . The point here has nothing to do with where I live most of the time but I have a home in the UK thx. The point is also non political it does not matter what party you support you should not daub nonsensical graffiti on the monuments of the war dead. It's quite simply really. And sorry to correct you and I understand people in the UK having a hard time etc but I seriously doubt it was one of them who daubed the monument it probably was not put on the monument by a homeless person was it But all gets away from the real point which is its wrong to daub graffiti on the monuments to the war dead whatever the politics and you don't need to live in England 365 days a year to work that one out. It's also only a couple of days since the people using democracy voted in a Tory govt so you might wanna look a little closer to home Yes john. Or should i say all seeing eye. Odd that you are clearly so blind to everything and yet remain so fully aware of the situation. The rest are just watching you flick matches on your trousers mate.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 9:07:33 GMT
Yes john. Or should i say all seeing eye.
Odd that you are clearly so blind to everything and yet remain so fully aware of the situation.
The rest are just watching you flick matches on your trousers mate.
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Post by tartarus on May 11, 2015 10:47:59 GMT
Yes john. Or should i say all seeing eye. Odd that you are clearly so blind to everything and yet remain so fully aware of the situation. The rest are just watching you flick matches on your trousers mate. [yawn yawn....no idea what you are talking about[/quote] Standard.
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Post by coach on May 11, 2015 15:11:33 GMT
Farage stays on as leader. Resignation not accepted. This isn't a joke.
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Post by IggyWiggy on May 11, 2015 15:13:40 GMT
Farage stays on as leader. Resignation not accepted. This isn't a joke. I beg to differ
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 15:20:56 GMT
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Breaking news Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation. Mr Farage said he would stand down after failing to win a seat in last week's general election. But the party said there was "overwhelmingly evidence" the UKIP membership did not want Mr Farage to go. It said: "He has therefore been persuaded to withdraw his resignation and remains leader of UKIP."[
From the BBC
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Post by iamzero on May 11, 2015 15:23:07 GMT
As a non UKIP voter I can't see why he would want to resign, coming from nowhere to being the third most popular party is quite a magic act. The man is still a dick but clearly quite successful at what he's done. And while I'm speaking of people I don't like is like to wave a huge foam finger bye bye to Ed Balls. That man I really don't like... Can't explain why... Just don't like him.
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Post by feralthings on May 11, 2015 15:50:01 GMT
Farage stays on as leader. Resignation not accepted. This isn't a joke. Sorry, mate; I think you must be mistaken. In March he said " if I fail to win South Thanet...I will have to step down" and only three days ago after failing to win South Thanet he said " I am a man of my word". Surely you're not trying to imply otherwise? I don't even know where to start with some of the Tory's proposals like abolishing the Human Rights Act but here are a few things that have at least made me smile over the last few days - the 7 year old girl was my highlight of the election campaign:
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Post by Dr. Plip on May 11, 2015 15:59:17 GMT
I'm not surprised UKIP want to keep him. Can you imagine trying to find a credible leader out of that motley bunch of Morlocks. He's the only one that doesn't come across as bat-shit crazy on the telly. And the media love him.
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Post by Dr. Plip on May 11, 2015 16:01:38 GMT
I can understand him wanting to step down. No chance of ever becoming prime minister, he spent half his time apologizing for what other party members had been doing or saying, and he still had a cushy job as MEP to milk.
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