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Post by notUmBongo on Apr 24, 2015 18:23:28 GMT
Its expensive decorative supermarket art with nostalgia chucked in, i respect those who buy it because they like it, talk of investment does grate me with this tbh Edit sorry daz you were last post but i wasnt directing at you, ive enjoyed your posts and others on why they like it even though its not my cuppa Athena awaits... UmBongo  |
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Post by notUmBongo on Apr 24, 2015 18:24:08 GMT
A certain forum member from uaa, sold his small banksy canvases last year on the forum to buy jj Originals.I personally think he ticks boxes for alot of people out there. But obviously not for everyone Who, prey tell? UmBongo |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 18:28:20 GMT
A lot of people are buying it only to make money that's the thing, so if you like it that's great and if you want to make money its great too. I know investors that buy two sets one for them one to sell. There is going to be another big artist coming soon so keep an eye out for him. Let me guess, dom pattinson!! |
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Post by dazarino on Apr 24, 2015 19:06:17 GMT
A certain forum member from uaa, sold his small banksy canvases last year on the forum to buy jj Originals.I personally think he ticks boxes for alot of people out there. But obviously not for everyone Who, prey tell? UmBongo Rokitt, he is a top bloke as well |
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Post by dungle on Apr 24, 2015 22:22:42 GMT
“I wonder whether this change in attitude is genuine, or whether it is a dot.com moment where people feel they are missing out if they don’t invest?”
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Post by 886geary on Apr 24, 2015 22:58:14 GMT
I know you all think galleries are just rip off merchants but if you listened to what a dealer can advise you we can actually help you make money. I don't now what experience you have had from other galleries but we are not all the same. Take the unsigned Toxic Marys I sold on the UAA ,that I took a whole load of flack over, I could have just bought them all my self got a COA and sold them all for a 3k profit, but I put them out there for others to make money on. or keep. Not sure about what you as a Gallery represent but I dont sell art or try to sell art to collectors insinuating or telling them that they are going to make money. I think advising on financial issues is a conflict of interest in some ways and only sets you up for failure in the case that they dont make money. Gallerist are not financial advisors and they shouldnt be acting like one. I try to introduce collectors to new artists and answer any questions they have about the artists, I think if they like the artist or art then that is first and foremost, Building a relationship takes time and If I was interested in shortcuts I am in the wrong business. Certain galleries are trusted by their collectors because they might have made money off work they bought, but that is the bonus as many have talked about. There are though clients that do want advice on reselling and these are collectors that some galleries wont even sell to. Different strategies I guess. |
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Post by blackappleart on Apr 24, 2015 23:46:25 GMT
Anyone with better than average Photoshop skills can bang these out all day long. I just can't fathom buying inkjet prints of someone playing around with image editing. But hey... hang what you like. Did this one in 15 minutes.  |
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Post by 886geary on Apr 24, 2015 23:49:40 GMT
I seriously don't know how you can say that you don't have art in your gallery that basically is not a good investment for clients. I cant imagine a gallery selling art that has no value would last very long? I think we'll just disagree on our experiences and concepts, as for your last question. I do my best to share what I believe in from an artistic standpoint not a financial one, reselling is not in my mind at all when curating an exhibition or showing an artist. Its part of the market yes and If I did my job people will have bought art they love and it would be relevant in the future. To me being relevant isn't only financial, it could have historic implications as some of the best artists from our past masters even dont sell for what contemporary art sells for. Personally I would much rather have my curating lead to my collectors having important pieces from artists end up in important collections down the road not just their bank account. I take a more longterm approach I guess and I dont do this for financial gains other than the bills being paid and the Gallery being able to exist each month. The real goal for me is building something and being part of building something that will last longer than money, maybe I am idealist but thats why I chose to do this. |
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Post by blackappleart on Apr 24, 2015 23:59:31 GMT
I think there is a bit more to his work though than that? Seems like thousand of people like his work so not sure why that is ? He's coming your way soon lol This type of editing is so common place here and is mostly associated with cheap tourist shop souvenirs in Hollywood and Venice Beach, which have been selling similar images for as long as I can remember. But as I said, to each their own. Literally hundreds of them on line like this site : twentytwowords.com/if-clean-cut-and-a-few-not-so-clean-cut-celebrities-were-covered-in-tattoos-15-pics/ |
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Post by jeezuzjonessnr on Apr 25, 2015 1:24:26 GMT
I think JJ just maybe this years hyped up artist, who was last years, maya huyuk? Anyway fairplay to him he's making money and has really good hype/PR. It's not my cup of tea and if anything all these sleeve tattoos ect. will be huge regrets for people in years to come, tatoo removal is where the money will be made Recenly moved to QLD,lots of bad tattoos up here,lots of large women (compared to Sydney) wih thick fat necks sat infront of me on the train wih a single lighting strike?music note?cherry? And I have seen lots of owls? Etc. Terrible stuff.. Saw a guy with and on/off switch on his neck, great look for a job interview...each to their own i suppose.. |
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Post by samfrost on Apr 25, 2015 2:13:56 GMT
Do.not.get.it.
Decorative art that does absolutely nothing to move the creativity needle. I really hope people aren't throwing good money after this stuff. Save your money and buy a Banksy or an emerging contemporary name.
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Post by dazarino on Apr 25, 2015 7:27:19 GMT
Love this , great insight into different ways of running an art gallery, I get both arguments,
I think unless you see the hype surrounding this guy first hand,it's hard to understand it.It's really strange and I've never seen anything quite like it since I've started collecting, totally different audience to say the dran queue or laz samson harrington release . I was in the brighton queue for cloud gallery's launch and people just are obsessed with his work, not just a few either.people were buying 4 or 5 pieces at a time, with none going on ebay later that day. I really was trying to chat to some of them about other artists but no luck at all,they could give a monkeys.
These events happened across the country.
I like his work as I say,but I do understand collectors who don't, it's hardly groundbreaking stuff.
I don't know if it's hype or the real thing, but you know what?
I couldn't give a shit.
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Post by dungle on Apr 25, 2015 8:43:20 GMT
I'd rather spend the money on a PINS t shirt
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Post by barnsy on Apr 25, 2015 8:54:29 GMT
I think JJ just maybe this years hyped up artist, who was last years, maya huyuk? Anyway fairplay to him he's making money and has really good hype/PR. It's not my cup of tea and if anything all these sleeve tattoos ect. will be huge regrets for people in years to come, tatoo removal is where the money will be made Recenly moved to QLD,lots of bad tattoos up here,lots of large women (compared to Sydney) wih thick fat necks sat infront of me on the train wih a single lighting strike?music note?cherry? And I have seen lots of owls? Etc. Terrible stuff.. Saw a guy with and on/off switch on his neck, great look for a job interview...each to their own i suppose.. That sounds horrendous, I am not a fan of tattoos and don't have any, your right removal is where the money will be made. I can appreciate the artistry in them on some people, not many, but still wouldn't want one. I have watched Miami Ink, it is an art but how many will regret having one.
I do think its a lot to do with how he's been represented though.
Currently in process of getting a tattoo removed.
I can tell you its costing a significant amount more to remove than it cost to have in first place.
Plus it stings a bit 
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Post by dashboll on Apr 25, 2015 9:00:34 GMT
Would you give a sh*t if I gave you one and then you sold it a year later and made 3k though  might sound weird but I wouldn't, I've never have a piece of art in my house free or paid unless I wanted it on my wall. get no buzz at all from art as an investment |
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Post by mojo on Apr 25, 2015 9:14:33 GMT
Love this , great insight into different ways of running an art gallery, I get both arguments, I think unless you see the hype surrounding this guy first hand,it's hard to understand it.It's really strange and I've never seen anything quite like it since I've started collecting, totally different audience to say the dran queue or laz samson harrington release . I was in the brighton queue for cloud gallery's launch and people just are obsessed with his work, not just a few either.people were buying 4 or 5 pieces at a time, with none going on ebay later that day. I really was trying to chat to some of them about other artists but no luck at all,they could give a monkeys. These events happened across the country. I like his work as I say,but I do understand collectors who don't, it's hardly groundbreaking stuff. I don't know if it's hype or the real thing, but you know what? I couldn't give a shit. Would you give a sh*t if I gave you one and then you sold it a year later and made 3k though Yuk! Please try to imagine for a second that not everybody is obsessed with money ....... some people prefer art. |
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Post by will on Apr 25, 2015 9:20:03 GMT
Well I have the J J bug big time, having had many a discussion with dazzarino about this on journeys to collect more j j work or to talk about buying more j j work , it does appear that e has perhaps tapped a market that previously hasn't been tapped or at least not bought to the public attention. I bought two pieces ( six months ago ) first time in a gallery first purchase of a pretty picture for £440 each which I know compared to some of what you guys have is small fry but for a first time art buyer I nearly threw up Since then I now have 8 pieces and was also waiting in line at 6am to secure a picture of boba fett and robocop in a delorean , now for the über geek in me that doesn't get any better I have now moved on from galleries to having to pay through the nose on the sedonary market for the " it's a trap " boba fett print, one went in 15 seconds for £1550 and one currently is bid well over £1000 so perhaps there is more people out there who appreciate his work than you might think. I have seen some great artists and some really cool stuff but nothing ticks or excites me for an example a picture of a spitfire shooting down a nazi UFO lol Eveyone likes different stuff or life would be very boring and as someone here has said doesn't matter what it's worth if you love it, I wouldn't are if the delorean picture was worth 50p tomorrow I love it and would never sell it |
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Post by adman on Apr 25, 2015 9:26:00 GMT
Would you give a sh*t if I gave you one and then you sold it a year later and made 3k though Yuk! Please try to imagine for a second that not everybody is obsessed with money ....... some people prefer art. Agree 100% mojo. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 9:50:32 GMT
That sounds horrendous, I am not a fan of tattoos and don't have any, your right removal is where the money will be made. I can appreciate the artistry in them on some people, not many, but still wouldn't want one. I have watched Miami Ink, it is an art but how many will regret having one.
I do think its a lot to do with how he's been represented though.
Currently in process of getting a tattoo removed.
I can tell you its costing a significant amount more to remove than it cost to have in first place.
Plus it stings a bit
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 9:53:11 GMT
Well I have the J J bug big time, having had many a discussion with dazzarino about this on journeys to collect more j j work or to talk about buying more j j work , it does appear that e has perhaps tapped a market that previously hasn't been tapped or at least not bought to the public attention. I bought two pieces ( six months ago ) first time in a gallery first purchase of a pretty picture for £440 each which I know compared to some of what you guys have is small fry but for a first time art buyer I nearly threw up Since then I now have 8 pieces and was also waiting in line at 6am to secure a picture of boba fett and robocop in a delorean , now for the über geek in me that doesn't get any better I have now moved on from galleries to having to pay through the nose on the sedonary market for the " it's a trap " boba fett print, one went in 15 seconds for £1550 and one currently is bid well over £1000 so perhaps there is more people out there who appreciate his work than you might think. I have seen some great artists and some really cool stuff but nothing ticks or excites me for an example a picture of a spitfire shooting down a nazi UFO lol Eveyone likes different stuff or life would be very boring and as someone here has said doesn't matter what it's worth if you love it, I wouldn't are if the delorean picture was worth 50p tomorrow I love it and would never sell it |
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Post by eschiff on Apr 25, 2015 9:58:38 GMT
Anyone with better than average Photoshop skills can bang these out all day long. I just can't fathom buying inkjet prints of someone playing around with image editing. But hey... hang what you like. Did this one in 15 minutes. you mentioned the time taken to create the piece. I find that interesting as in the recent EZ release you did you made a point of saying in the release that the pieces took him four days to complete. To me, that doesn't sound like a long time. For you, is there value in the amount of time it takes to make a piece? How is that equated to it's value? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 10:01:50 GMT
I don't think trying to make people feel bad for making money is really a good vibe to send out everyone need to make money that's a fact, how they do it is up to them!.
Its a free world and I certainly have never forced anyone to buy anything from me nor would I. I love art I have plenty on my walls, Banksy Dran Chevrier Pure Evil I have it because I like it. Some of it going to be a better investment than others but I have it because I like it and its better than having money in the bank that's making nothing. I like making money its a challenge, I like challenges, I don't feel bad about it nor should I. I like being successful that is not something to be ashamed of! I am doing something that I like and I can earn a living from how many people can say that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 10:17:03 GMT
I don't think trying to make people feel bad for making money is really a good vibe to send out everyone need to make money that's a fact, how they do it is up to them!. Its a free world and I certainly have never forced anyone to buy anything from me nor would I. I love art I have plenty on my walls, Banksy Dran Chevrier Pure Evil I have it because I like it. Some of it going to be a better investment than others but I have it because I like it and its better than having money in the bank that's making nothing. I like making money its a challenge, I like challenges, I don't feel bad about it nor should I. I like being successful that is not something to be ashamed of! I am doing something that I like and I can earn a living from how many people can say that? One day you'll learn money isn't the answer to everything, till that day I hope shallow life doesn't dissolve your soul. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 10:29:47 GMT
I don't think trying to make people feel bad for making money is really a good vibe to send out everyone need to make money that's a fact, how they do it is up to them!. Its a free world and I certainly have never forced anyone to buy anything from me nor would I. I love art I have plenty on my walls, Banksy Dran Chevrier Pure Evil I have it because I like it. Some of it going to be a better investment than others but I have it because I like it and its better than having money in the bank that's making nothing. I like making money its a challenge, I like challenges, I don't feel bad about it nor should I. I like being successful that is not something to be ashamed of! I am doing something that I like and I can earn a living from how many people can say that? One day you'll learn money isn't the answer to everything, till that day I hope shallow life doesn't dissolve your soul. How do you pay your bills may I ask? you didn't read what I have said... anyway I am not arguing about it you can have your opinion and I will have mine.. I don't send out negative bad vibes to people and I wont start now on this forum. Have a great day! |
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Post by mojo on Apr 25, 2015 10:43:00 GMT
I don't think trying to make people feel bad for making money is really a good vibe to send out everyone need to make money that's a fact, how they do it is up to them!. Its a free world and I certainly have never forced anyone to buy anything from me nor would I. I love art I have plenty on my walls, Banksy Dran Chevrier Pure Evil I have it because I like it. Some of it going to be a better investment than others but I have it because I like it and its better than having money in the bank that's making nothing. I like making money its a challenge, I like challenges, I don't feel bad about it nor should I. I like being successful that is not something to be ashamed of! I am doing something that I like and I can earn a living from how many people can say that? Pleeeez ....... get over yourself you sell second hand pictures. You have no idea or apparent regard for for the knowledge, experience or value fellow members on this or the other forum contribute. You simply jumped on a bandwagon for your own personal financial gain ........ you've made that perfectly clear. |
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