Trade Banksy/Faile for Kunstrasen

Its very simple, ive just starting representing the artist and my purpose is to free up his time to create new work by dealing with clients/shipping etc, the trade involved quite a few canvases so i didnt want to put him under unnescesary pressure, that isnt the objective i have. No hype, straightforward trade with a forum member. Phil is doing work me at the moment without pressure, he has enough on his plate and i have a list commissions if he wants them. If it was about hype and making fast money rather than building a long term career id get him to knock out 50 Spots and 50 Fencers but that has no future. I was offered more money than im asking for the upcoming 5 canvases to secure one but theres too much demand and i declined because again thats a short term view, i dont need to prove myself, anyone who knows me or has dealt with me knows its not just about the money, i see something special with Phil and with more time to concentrate on his work i think he will get better and develope, thats a problem on the art forums, people are quick to fling shit and put everyone in the same box, artists starting on their journey could do with more support and constructive critcism. Say what you want about me, ill keep doing what ive always done,  im not aware of any unhappy clients or artists who ive dealt with to date

And another thing, Phils a gent, a decent solid bloke who is following his dream, if you think its all about money with him youre very wrong.

I like his street work,


nothing against Kunstrasen and sure he a lovely guy, but

argh ill just leave ya to it ........

Bubba youre a  clueless fuckin idiot , its like talking to a fuckin simpleton, what aspect of how the artworld Works do you understand. 

Dear dear me people do love throwing opinionated shit round here most of it started by the tosser jboy

Gonna say a couple of things I have never met Andy but have spoke on the phone have bought from him and have also asked him for advice on pieces that others have offered to me about price etc. I have always found him dead straight etc. my dealings with him have been excellent.
Think here he is offering to trade with people as his customers want one of the Kunstrasen pieces and I see nothing wrong with that at all.

Kunstrasen likewise seems to me straight as a ruler.producing pieces and selling at a really decent price for decent genuine works. People can like or dislike the works that's everyone's choice.
I myself recently picked a piece up from him where by he donated all the funds to Delloy's Nepal collection. Note this was not the piece he put in the auction but another one.
So all the talk no one wants one seems daft to me as I want one of his pieces both for its art and also cause I like his concept and I like his way. I also like how he prices his work as well. His recent show in Germany by all accounts was a storming success. Now because I have a piece and really like it tossers like Jboy might want to call me a twat and a loser but I will quite happily bench mark my collection against his.
Similarly I would also like to point out I do have a Kunstrasen but have not yet been persuaded to have a jboy strangely enough. Which is basically just someone else's work.
So I understand people liking and disliking, wanting and not wanting but not sure it has to lower itself to the level shown on here. Both Andy and Zkunstrasen are good members of this forum who both deserve a bit of respect in my view. Freerange, Jboy, Poldark Silky's whatever on the other hand can just..........well you can guess. He wanted to stir it up and guess what ....

If zi may say so I really do like my piece

http://instagram.com/p/4Pvg7-v1b8

As you say johnnyh, lovely gesture from the artist, indeed it would have gone unmentioned had you not shown your appreciation for it.

@iggywiggy no he just did it on the quiet only me and delloy new about it. He has never mentioned it at all. Which shows both the sort of artist and man he is.

Might sound strange but it's not all about you!!! No one said you were Jboy. I said Poldark is Freerange, Jboy.

So may be you should just stop all the shouting, insulting etc and take a little bit more time reading and listening then you might follow what is being said. You may take time to consider the other opinion before using the c word

There really is no need for it

I agree what your saying here, you never called out the artist as bad, I think the point you are making is that, why couldn't Kunstrsaens carry on as he was, why not release direct.. have all the shows you like in galleries, create work for the show etc.

I have no idea about castle gallery and assume your a great bunch. I think the point would had been made if any gallery was now representing the artist, and also offering a very famous artists print in return. If it was your intention or not this is clearly going to be viewed in a certain way. If you like it or not,

I personally don't really get why artists go through galleries like.this when there work was doing great anyway, I am sure there is many positives thst can be pointed out to me. Last time this was asked I.think it was mainly benefit of postage and packaging or thsfd all u got and reaching a already established clientele.
Thing with these points I just feel it's a bit lazy of the artist not to reach.out especially with today's easy access to internet. And if your client base are not fans through there own investigation, just basic interest in the scene leads you.to.many artist and forums etc. Then why bother with them they probably.only.see ya ad the next investment.

But hey that's just me Init
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Some good points here hunter, kunstrasen could certainly have carried on as he was and ive made it clear to him that if he feels im not adding anything to the table he can walk at anytime. What i will be able to do is free him up timewise to concentrate on his art which is what he enjoys, that way he'll have less pressure and for me thats when artists produce their best work, i'll also be concentrating on getting his work infront of a larger audience through a number of avenues and aquaintances. I also have an extensive client list from 5 continents and over 30 countries to expose his work to immediately. I have Phils and my best interests long term at heart. I am also cataloguing all new works, sizes, ed,  photographing front and back, who it sold to, when.
 I do understand how offering a banksy for Ks could be seen but this is how it was, i was offering the faile but added the banksy because i knew the possibilty of trade would be much greater, the trade was for 12 canvases, 7 unique, i needed Kunstrasens for clients, thats it. Ive never compared K to B, there will never be another Banksy, if i was going to pull a stunt to connect the 2 and fool newbies i wouldnt be doing it on a forum with a few hundred members. It takes the same amount of effort to sell a K as it does Banksy, its not about quick bucks this is about building a long term mutually beneficial relationship.
Some artists do it on their own and good for them, some are happy to get the advice and support of a gallery.

I've attempted to buy from Kunstrasen in the past and no response. I've got several of his pieces bought from galleries, but wanted a couple more, contacted Castle and they simply don't have anything to sell, can't really see whats wrong with buying in work by one of his artists that he believes in. Why shouldn't he hype his artists, isn't that what a gallery is supposed to do. Sell art. Not sure why everyone is up in arms, why should Phil be selling his canvases at 40 quid for the forceable future, the man has to make a living.

Like most artists I suspect Kunstrasen is more interested in making art than dealing with requests, can't blame him for that. So like many artists they get an agent to field all the bullshit. Pretty simple really. I've done one deal with Castle Gallery and it was as smooth as it could be, pretty high priced item as well. Tried to buy Banksy from plenty of galleries and got nothing but grief, changing prices, condition discrepancies, didn't have the advertised piece in stock. So in the future I'll be buying from Castle, much easier than dealing with many of the time wasters on these sites.